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To: sitetest
I'll reiterate - to “send abortion back to the states (at least in a substantive way}” is to “overturn Roe.” P-Marlowe is right - if we abandon the fight to ultimately overturn Roe, by whatever legal means, the pro-life movement is dead.

You're wrong.

Please see the article I linked to in the previous post.

The states are where the battle is being fought. The states will continue to come up with laws which will be challenged, and which will be modified, and put up for vote again.

These laws will end up in SCOTUS.

THAT is what will end Roe because it will be a reversion to pre-Roe intentions, where the abortion challenges at the state level will make Roe beside the point.

Roe is never going to be taken down from any president or senator deciding this. It's going to come down when a state law is challenged.

At this point Roe will be beside the point. The pro-life movement won't be finished, as you point out.

But Roe isn't going away because Michael Steele isn't pro-life enough.

93 posted on 02/04/2009 10:43:12 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: Darkwolf377; P-Marlowe
Dear Darkwolf377,

“You're wrong.

“Please see the article I linked to in the previous post.”

I actually did read the article.

Did you?

It talks about restrictions at the fringes, but it also talks about states passing laws that dramatically restrict abortion - if and when Roe is overturned.

“These laws will end up in SCOTUS.”

Duh.

Pro-lifers have been doing this since, oh, about,... 1974.

You do realize, of course, that the Supreme Court can only overturn Roe through another case that comes before it. You do realize that the Supremes can't wake up one day, say that they've changed their minds, and vote to reverse Roe.

It requires that a new court case come before it that permits them to revisit Roe.

Thus, the efforts in the states are DIRECTLY PART OF THE OVERALL EFFORT TO OVERTURN ROE.

The funny things about your post is that you tell me that I'm wrong that we must continue to work to get Roe overturned, but then your post explicates the way that Supreme Court decisions get, and the way that Roe in particular gets, overturned.

And certainly presidents and US Senators have something to say about Roe, in that they have something to say about who will sit on the Court. It isn't enough that states pass anti-abortion laws to present test cases to the Supreme Court if we keep electing US Senators who are soft on Roe, who will vote to confirm explicitly pro-Roe justices, or who can get away with preventing anti-Roe justices.

The problem with Mr. Steele's new position, in particular, is that it gives cover for all the anti-life politicians out there who would like to straddle the fence and be pro-Roe but still grab pro-life votes. Mr. Casey, Jr of Pennsylvania comes to mind. He was able to knock of Sen. Santorum in part because he ran as a pro-lifer. But he can vote for pro-abortion justices and justify voting against anti-Roe nominees, because, heck, EVEN THE CHAIRMAN OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ACCEPTS ROE! Yikes!

I've given up trying to compartmentalize the issue of abortion, depending on the office a politician seeks. I will no longer support anyone who does not, at the very minimum, call for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade. A political party chaired by someone who accepts Roe is functionally a pro-abort party.

I will not belong to a pro-abort party.


sitetest

94 posted on 02/04/2009 1:15:50 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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