FDA approves first human embryonic stem cell safety trial (3 days after Pres. Bush left)

Scientific American ^ | 1-23-09 | Jordan Lite

[Gondring]

LOL...as you evade the question.

[Gondring]

If I am wrong and you are right, no harm has been done.

If you open the refrigerator door today, you are killing a baby...to the same extent that this research is. Did you even read what this research is?

If you take a breath today, you are killing a baby...to the same extent that this research is. Did you even read what this research is?

If you fly to Zanzibar today, you are killing a baby...to the same extent that this research is. Did you even read what this research is?

If you do nothing today, you are killing a baby...to the same extent that this research is. Did you even read what this research is?

To borrow a slogan, this research is killing fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.

[Gondring]

Geron and FDA officials told The Wall Street Journal that it was a coincidence that the announcement came just three days after George Bush left the White House. Bush restricted federal funding of embryonic stem cell research.

...which is totally irrelevant, since this research

1. was perfectly eligible for Federal funding under President Bush, and
2. is being conducted with no Federal funds

[STARWISE]

Still, no focus on the nature or source of the “product,” the entire thrust of Pres. Bush’s policy.

Your comments speak of obsession.

I’m sorry if you or a loved one have an illness for which you crave help. I empathize with those whose lives are so affected by their afflictions. We all have afflictions of one sort or another, and God help you and them if you’re obsessively focused on what innocent human baby embryos can provide YOU, blinding you to their God-given right to life. It’s depraved.

[TChris]

I never said that. I said that by using the Catholic definition of the commencement of life/death, ...

Sure you did.

"According to" applies to the entire second clause, FRiend. You're attributing the "God kills" part to "the Catholic definition" by the way you wrote.

Perhaps it was unintentional, but that's the meaning nonetheless.

[dbz77]

Those who choose to acknowledge that an embryo is a living human being believe that it does not matter where the life is aborted.

So then the people who were killed in the firebombings of Tokyo and Dresden were aborted?

After all, if location does not matter...

[dbz77]

Are you any less murdered if it happens in your kitchen or in a ravine? If another human being is killing you, what difference does the "physical location" make?

It does not.

Of course, why not define abortion as the homicide of any human regardless of age or location, since you already claim that abortions can happen regardless of any pregnancy?

[dbz77]

Do you know what they call animals that feed on the flesh of their own species?

Is anyone eating stem cells?

[sarah p]

Again, I wrote. “Well I guess that depends on what your definition of what an aborted baby is.” Below are some of the definitions: I was referring to definition 7. –noun 1. Also called voluntary abortion. the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy. 2. any of various surgical methods for terminating a pregnancy, esp. during the first six months. 3. Also called spontaneous abortion. miscarriage 4. an immature and nonviable fetus. 5. abortus (def. 2b). 6. any malformed or monstrous person, thing, etc. 7. Biology. the arrested development of an embryo or an organ at a more or less early stage. 8. the stopping of an illness, infection, etc., at a very early stage. 9. Informal. a. shambles; mess. b. anything that fails to develop, progress, or mature, as a design or project. Origin: 1540–50; < L abortiōn- (s. of abortiō). See abort, -ion Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

[pillut48]

Yes, I agree. God allows evil (see the Book of Job) for reasons we can’t comprehend, but in the big picture it will all make sense someday!

[palmer]

Terminology aside, why are you defending the premeditated murder of human beings?

[benjibrowder]

I like how you make baseless insults against people, implying that they wish people harm or accuse them of god knows what else, including that nice lovely post about me.

You attack and slander your opposition when they don’t agree with you. God forbid anyone thinks different than you.

[Gondring]

I like how you make baseless insults against people, implying that they wish people harm or accuse them of god knows what else, including that nice lovely post about me.

What...where you hoped that treatment of people with spinal cord injuries would fail? How is that not sick?

[benjibrowder]

sigh... I have a headache.

Just stop. You win. I'm such a horrible person who doesn't care about humanity and the physical suffering of others. I sit back and hope that everyone and anyone with any physical ailment dies. Yes, that's exactly, who, what, how I am. /sarc I'm hoping nothing comes of it for moral reasons. I've stated that several times. And investing in other types of stem cells with a much more positive track record is where my support lies. Please don't respond to me again. I have no time for it. And your insults are pathetic.

[pillut48]

That is an AWESOME and inspirational article!! :*)
Thank you for posting it!! I’m going to share it with everyone I know...prayers for Gary Graham for sharing the truth despite the probably shunning he will receive from Hollywood types!

I started reading the comments and was STUNNED (I only got about halfway) to see that ALL the comments to that point were POSITIVE and spoke about the right to life for the pre-born babies. Brought a tear to my eye seeing so many personal stories reiterating what Mr. Graham said in his article.

[Gondring]

The source of the “product” was a laboratory, using a line from long ago.

[STARWISE]

Excuse me, I guess you forgot ... “the nature ?”

You’re acting a fool, playing idiotic word games.

I’m done with you and deeply selfish mentality.

[ohioWfan]

In this very short time on this thread, you have revealed much about yourself, Gondring.

I will join the others in ignoring you, as you are not asking questions out of legitimate concerns, but as an attempt (and failure) to ridicule or trap those who don't share your cynical views.

You obviously carry some weird baggage with you, since you attacked me in your first post, but I seriously don't remember you at all. And now I know why. You're best forgotten.

(btw, you asked me no question, therefore it was impossible to 'evade' it. Not that logic ever enters your thought process).

[ohioWfan]

Of course, why not define abortion as the homicide of any human regardless of age or location, since you already claim that abortions can happen regardless of any pregnancy?

I trust that you, after some thought, realize that this question makes no sense whatsoever, and does not relate to the point I was making.

Abortion is the process of destroying a human life before it is born.

My point still stands. It is wrong for one human being to end the life of an innocent human being.

[Gondring]

The “nature” of it is tissue, similar to organs from a deceased person, this is pre-organ tissue derived from procedures conducted on pre-organ tissue from a blastocyst that is long, long gone.

So are you against organ donation from the deceased, too?