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To: GodGunsGuts
Well, don’t hide your superior knowledge under a bushel...share it with the rest of us!

Why should we? You don't listen to reason. You ignore the vast body of evidence against your position. You don't grasp the concept of the need to do word studies in the Bible. And you call anyone who disagrees with you an advocate of "atheist science" and accuse them of "worshipping at the Temple of Darwin Cult.

You have no idea of the damage that you do to Christianity.

From Augustine:

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

Augustine is describing the young-earth creationists, but you don't even understand that you -- not scientists -- are the ones hurting the cause of Christ and preventing others from believing.


85 posted on 01/30/2009 1:51:18 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

I think one of the problems is the global warming movement that is such garbage. It has painted all science with a broad brush of political agenda when the opposite is true.

Which is why, I think, more and more scientists are coming out as opposing GW. It’s hurting their profession and studies.

They should have acted earlier.


89 posted on 01/30/2009 2:03:28 PM PST by texmexis best (uency)
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To: DallasMike
Actually, Augustine was talking about people like YOU (and the fidgety Ross). Thus, it is YOU who have no idea the damage YOU do to Christianity (...or do you?):

Augustine--The City of God Against the Pagans:

II Of the Falseness of the history which ascribes many thousands of years to times gone by

"Let us, then, omit the conjectures of men who know not what they say, when they speak of the nature and origin of the human race. … They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed."

http://books.google.com/books?id=ReU2M8cLtGcC&pg=PA511&lpg=PA511&dq=Let+us,+then,+omit+the+conjectures+of+men+who+augustine&source=web&ots=wiAokxvGEb&sig=5blUfiE5bl5szUaDhYKvswTPbUg&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA512,M1

97 posted on 01/30/2009 2:19:18 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: DallasMike

So DallasMike, how does it feel now that you know that Augustine was talking about you? Did the fidgety-Ross convince you that Augustine was on the side of his Old-Earth compromise with the God-hating peers you kiss up to?

Augustine—The City of God Against the Pagans:

II Of the Falseness of the history which ascribes many thousands of years to times gone by

“Let us, then, omit the conjectures of men who know not what they say, when they speak of the nature and origin of the human race. … They are deceived, too, by those highly mendacious documents which profess to give the history of many thousand years, though, reckoning by the sacred writings, we find that not 6000 years have yet passed.”

Are you going to let Augustine get away with that? He’s calling your arguments PAGAN. What say you?

Oh, and right back at you :o) LOL...

From Augustine, to DallasMike:

“Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.”


180 posted on 01/30/2009 6:19:14 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: DallasMike
Augustine is describing the young-earth creationists, but you don't even understand that you -- not scientists -- are the ones hurting the cause of Christ and preventing others from believing.

Actually, I'm a credentialed scientist - an organic chemist, in fact - with a real-live post-graduate degree from one of them big ol' university-type places, and I don't believe in evolution, nor in any of the philosophical rigmarole used to support it.

Tell us, what are you're scientific credentials?

448 posted on 02/05/2009 8:55:45 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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