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To: Rome2000; jamese777

You said — “If HUSSEIN was applying for a Federal job instead of elected, he would have to present an original BC from the state with raised seal.
No BC, no job. “

The President, on the other hand, gets his job by being voted in. It’s a different job and different means to get in there. That’s just the way it works. The President gets to qualify for a lot of things, above and beyond what he would qualify for, apart from the “job of President of the United States” — if he were simply an ordinary citizen.

I would say that every last single President of the United States could *never* qualify for all the levels of security that he got as “President” — if he were an ordinary citizen, no matter what proof he put forth and no matter what kind of background he had that would qualify him.

In this particular case with Obama, the complaint you have about him being in office is with the “voters” who put him there...


73 posted on 01/26/2009 5:38:32 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
The President, on the other hand, gets his job by being voted in. It’s a different job and different means to get in there. That’s just the way it works.

Not according to the US Constitution. For example, Arnold Swartzenegger is by his admission Austrian born. He therefore by the US Constitution does not qualify (Constitutionally) to be US president, even if he receives enough votes. By your argument on its face (unless I am missing something), if Arnold were to get enough votes (via electors favorable to him), then he could become president.

The President gets to qualify for a lot of things, above and beyond what he would qualify for, apart from the “job of President of the United States” — if he were simply an ordinary citizen.

Only under the presumption that no qualifications fraud has occurred in the election process by the candidate elected.

I would say that every last single President of the United States could *never* qualify for all the levels of security that he got as “President” — if he were an ordinary citizen, no matter what proof he put forth and no matter what kind of background he had that would qualify him. OK, strong statement. Let's test it: what disqualified Washington? Jefferson? I cannot think of anything in the historical context.

In this particular case with Obama, the complaint you have about him being in office is with the “voters” who put him there...

Again, two things permitted Obama to be recognized as the winner of the election: the votes his electors received, and the process in regards to vetting him as a candidate. If Obama took the oath of presidential office knowing that he did not for whatever reasons (eg not natural born citizen) qualify as a presidential candidate under the US Constitution, he violated the oath as soon as he took it, and deceived the voters who voted for him. If Obama in fact deceived the voters in this manner, we now have a situation in which an Constitutionally disqualified person is president. Obviously the Constitution was not intended to permit such a scenario, and such a scenario gives ample reason for persons in the executive branch who normally take orders from a president -- such as the military -- to question, ignore, or otherwise take issue with the orders issued by such a fraudulent president. Such a situation is inherently instable and IMHO invites a civil insurrection.

If I may comment, I observed in the 1996 presidential election that the process by which candidates are chosen for appearing on a primary was very loosely defined. This seems to me to be a very obvious candidate location in the process for inserting a Constitutional vetting for natural born citizen. The problem IMHO may go well beyond a specific candidate, well beyond the "natural born citizen" qualification, and well beyond Obama, and may need to be addressed in each government entity that has presidential electors.

93 posted on 01/26/2009 9:06:20 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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