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To: SteveH

I’m sorry but you are mistaken. There is no FEDERAL law against running for President as non-Native Born CANDIDATE.
Earlier you asked me

Whose job do you think it is to determine whose credentials are acceptable as a natural born citizen in order to become President of the United States?

I was merely responding in the idealistic sense.

Barack Hussein Obama II presented a certified document from the state of Hawaii’s Department of Health which states that he was born in the City of ...

I’m sorry, to whom did he present the certified document and for what specific reason? By “certified document” are you referring to a certification or a long form birth certificate?

Apparently Obama has signed statements for various states to the effect that he is Constitutionally qualified to serve as president, and copies of these signed statements are apparently publicly available (at least they show up on the Internet). IMHO that’s a stronger assertion than merely that he was born in the US. Anyway, there seem to be are four possible outcomes.

One, the statements are true and will be publicly proven to be true— if so, his authority will be enhanced by the discrediting of some of his detractors.

Two, the statements are false and will be publicly proven to be false— if so, the US is IMHO likely to be thrown into mass confusion if not civil war.

Three, the veracity of the statements remain in doubt for the duration of his presidency.

Four, some event occurs that makes the question of the veracity of the statements moot, such as if Obama dies or is determined to be mentally incompetent to carry out his duties while in office, or he declares martial law.

To me, it is difficult to imagine Obama being able to maintain an airtight lid on whether or not he is qualified. Every presidency since Washington has had a honeymoon period followed by political discord to a greater or lesser degree. Because of the large magnitude of political forces being exerted in such times, those times are when such secrets tend to come out, if they do not already come out during the election process.

Alternative four is particularly scary to me.

All objections to the certification of the Electoral College vote on January 8th had to be submitted IN WRITING before the Joint Session of Congress met.

Cite?

The Vice President received no written objections, ...

Cite?


OK, I see, “in an idealistic sense.” Gotcha.

You have to apply to be on the ballot in each state. That is why so many of the lawsuits concerning Obama’s eligibility are directed at various states’ Secretaries of State, the official most often responsible for implementing elections. For example, one of the law suits that is still alive is Ambassador Alan Keyes’ suit in California which is entitled “Lightfoot v Bowen.” Bowen is Debra Bowen, California’s Secretary of State. Obama himself is not named in the suit.
ALL state issued birth documents in Hawaii are called “Certifications.” Hospitals issue birth certificates, the state issues Certifications whether they are long form or short form.

Obama can’t maintain “an airtight lid.” As I keep saying over and over, what is needed is a subpoena for his original Certification of Live Birth. All that is required under Hawaii Law (HRS 338-18 Part 9) and I quote, is a person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”

The citation for submitting objections to the Electoral College vote is Chapter 1 of Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672, as amended) Section 15 “Counting electoral votes in congress.” is the specific section.

The citation for Cheney not verbally asking for objections is Section 18, and I quote: “While the two Houses shall be in meeting as provided in this chapter, the President of the Senate shall have the power to preserve order, and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw.” —Chapter 1, Title 3, United States Code (62 Stat. 672,as amended, Section 18.


176 posted on 01/27/2009 7:37:49 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777; All
"ALL state issued birth documents in Hawaii are called “Certifications.” Hospitals issue birth certificates, the state issues Certifications whether they are long form or short form."

Just for clarification, in Hawaii there are 4 birth documents:

- Certification of Live Birth
- Certificate of Live Birth (long form or vault copy)
- Certificate of Delayed Birth
- Certificate of Hawaiian Birth

The certification is issued in lieu of any of the other 3, and which one is not specified, nor are any changes or modifications to the original shown on the certification.

178 posted on 01/28/2009 4:59:12 AM PST by nominal (Christus dominus. Christus veritas.)
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