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To: swmobuffalo
I just said science teachers do just that teach science.

I agree with you on this. The bump science got in the late 1950s and early 1960s was somewhat lost by the dope smoke of the late 1960s. And then the fundamentalists got a jumpstart and haven't helped the situation a bit.

And as for the religious fundamentalism, that’s just a tad bit of a strawman. There’s no real danger of religion replacing science. In many cases, religion backs up the science.

No strawman--fundamentalist religion is looking to replace science, or when they can't, to censor science. Look at the Texas squabbles; look at Dover and a host of other issues that were taken to the courts to prevent fundamentalism from being forced on students.

And you don't have to go any further than these threads to see that exact process in action. If a certain group of posters here had their way, the age of the earth would be fixed at about 6,000 years and the theory of evolution would be banned from the schools. As a fallback position they generously admit that they would like both science and fundamentalist religion taught.

No, they hate science, or at least those results that contradict their religious beliefs. They are working and hoping to censor science in the short term and to "replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions" in the long term -- at which point it will no longer be real science.

103 posted on 01/21/2009 4:58:06 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; swmobuffalo
Look at the Texas squabbles; look at Dover and a host of other issues that were taken to the courts to prevent fundamentalism from being forced on students.

Look at history. What you claim is *religious fundamentalism* was just what most people believed several decades ago and further back. There was no theocracy. Reintroducing creation back into the schools like it was taught for centuries is no more going to harm science than it did then.

Creation was removed from public schools decades ago. Show us how science education benefited from it. Show us how it improved our ranking in science education in the world to have only evolution taught in public schools.

That should be easy to do because all you have to do is go back in our own history.

104 posted on 01/21/2009 5:18:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman

Tell you what, when you can provide sources that are mainstream or at least neutral in viewpoint get back to me.

I’m well aware of your “bias” towards anything that smacks of religion, especially when it comes to the subject of evolution.

And yes your argument is a strawman. You throw it out there everytime this subject comes up, just like you’re really afraid of the truth.


106 posted on 01/21/2009 7:49:13 PM PST by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: Coyoteman

And then the fundamentalists got a jumpstart and haven’t helped the situation a bit.


Uhhhh, show us the creationist/fundamentalist curriculum in public schools that did so much harm to science since the 60’s, confucius.


121 posted on 01/22/2009 2:17:45 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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