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To: samtheman

You said — “What if our country were to be taken over by a foreign power Would you still be praying for our “leaders”?

You’ll note that the Bible says to do this. When the Bible tells those, who are God’s own, to do certain things, it doesn’t mean that many like the idea or relish the idea or wish something like that happens (i.e., being taken over). No..., it means that’s what God tells us, as God’s own, to do these things — and thus, those are commands to God’s people.

Now, of course, this doesn’t apply to those who have refused God in their lives, by way of the salvation of Jesus Christ that He offers to all. Such a one that has refused God’s offer of salvation is not bound to do what God says is the righteous thing to do — so that person can continue doing the evil that he wishes. That person will be judged on that basis, at the Great White Throne judgement, of the unsaved (Rev. 20), and cast into the lake of fire for eternal torment.

In addition to doing what God tells His own righteous people to do (but not to the unrighteous), you’ll also notice the “context” in which God gave this command. Israel was ruled by a “foreign power” at the time. And — in spite of that — God gave that command to His righteous people.

Also, notice that Jesus had the power to overthrow the foreign powers, if He wished to do so. But, Jesus did not do that. Jesus never said that overthrowing that foreign power that controlled Israel at the time of Jesus was even a *minor* issue in His thought. It simply *was not the time* for that to be done. And Jesus, along with all the Christians of that time, were given a *different task* than overthrowing a foreign power. In fact, Jesus said His was not a Kingdom that was of this earth, at that time, so as to have His followers take up arms and overthrow the foreign power. And yet, in spite of that, they were still supposed to pray for their leaders, which would include the leaders of the foreign powers that controlled them.

There will come a time when Jesus *does* overthrow the “foreign powers” — and one of those foreign powers that Jesus will overthrow, will be the United States. And Jesus will *take control* over the United States and dispense with the laws that it has. A “new world order” will be established by Jesus, at that time, and He will rule the U.S. and the other nations — with a rod of iron (as the Bible says).

I wonder how a lot of people here will react to our laws being overturned and thrown out and Jesus ruling as an *absolute King* over all things that go on in these United States? I would imagine that many would be opposed to that... LOL...

In addition to that, God has given us the example that when a foreign power comes to take over a country (such as Israel) that it can be (and is, many times) directly as a *result* of God’s judgement upon that nations. It’s apparent that God has pronounced judgement upon this nation of the United States, by installing Obama in power as the next President of the United States. The Bible does say that the people will be *given over* to their evil ways, if they persist in ignoring God. God will “give them” exactly the evil that they deserve. It appears that this has happened because of the evil ways of our country (corporately speaking, in spite of some individuals who wouldn’t be in that category). But, that’s the way it was, also, with Israel.

And at the times when Israel was “judged” and a foreign power defeated Israel, Israel was told by direct revelation from God, through His chosen prophets, announcing to the nation that they should *not resist* the “judgement of God” or else it would go *even worse* for them.

Thus, there are plenty of examples in the Bible of how God “thinks” — which is completely different than the way some people think here on this board...

The *only way out* of this “judgement of God” upon this nation, which is happening now, is for the nation to *repent* of its sins (and we’re speaking corporately, here, acting as a “nation”, not just a few individuals here and there...) — is for prayer and repentance. Short of that, judgement will come and so will slavery come... (slavery to the evils of the sins that have been committed in this nation).

So, the solution is not political, it’s not judicial, it’s not legislative — it’s by prayer and repentance. And if those who think that this doesn’t matter (i.e., the prayer and repentance), they will find out when all their other ways fail. God (as the Bible says) is not mocked and He will not be thwarted...


423 posted on 12/26/2008 5:45:09 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

I’ve thought about your post, Star Traveler, I really did. I read it and thought about it and I respect you for it and I respect your point of view, but I’m sorry, it’s not a point of view I can share.

You can quote the bible till your blue in the face, that will not make me feel submissive to the left wing POS who is now our incoming POTUS.

I will not pray for him — other than pray that he receive his just rewards, as another poster here pointed out — any more than I would pray for an intruder in my home holding a gun to my head and threatening my family.

Sorry, Star Traveler. I just can’t do that.


443 posted on 12/26/2008 12:14:09 PM PST by samtheman
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