Saxby Chambliss replies to Birth Certificate

email from Saxby | 12/18/2008 | Saxby Chamliss staff

[Star Traveler]

You said — “If you really want to know how much he’s spent and how, do some research.”

I’ve looked around and all I find are “statements” and no one providing documentation. So, mind you, there are plenty of statements and widely varying figures, but no one has provided documentation...

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And then you said — “As far as politifact.com....they are associated with factcheck.org who is owned by the Annenberg group who Zero was on the board of directors. Their credibility is zip.”

Well, the funny thing about that, with that kind of reasoning — is then you have two polarized sides in which each side says the other is “manufacturing” evidence and is not telling the truth.

On the Republican side, they say, anyone associated with Democrats has no credibility. And then on the Democrat side they say that anyone associated with the Republicans has no credibility...

Now, that means that anyone looking in from the outside — must conclude that neither side has any truth to the matter because each side is manufacturing evidence to suit each side.... LOL..

You go nowhere with that kind of thinking — but that’s apparent with a lot of the comments here...

[Scarchin]

LOL

[YellowRoseofTx]

Well, it sounds more and more like you are an obot and you aren’t going to find what suits you here. When you can’t determine what is true and not, you need to do a lot of research.

[Star Traveler]

You said — “Well, it sounds more and more like you are an obot and you aren’t going to find what suits you here. When you can’t determine what is true and not, you need to do a lot of research.”

Well, the research indicates that people are guessing. That’s all that is going on with those figures. Once someone gets some documentation (which they haven’t, and which is why it doesn’t exist), then we’ll be able to tell. At this point in time, we’ve got nothing but people speculating.

Another interesting thing that I saw, was that one poster was embellishing on another poster’s figures. If it was one hundred thousand for a few days or a week, then it started to be two hundred thousand. Then someone else would post three hundred thousand, and on it would go. Finally it cleared one million dollars ... LOL...

It was sort of like telling the story in another person’s ear and they would pass it on. The last person had a story that in no way resembled the original story that started it all. That’s what I’ve seen of those figures and that “one million dollars”... :-)

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But, another thing that I’ve seen very clearly here (and as I posted elsewhere, today) — is that there is a group of FReepers where if one agrees with them, then you are a gentlemen and a scholar.

If you disagree with them, you are an idiot, a troll, don’t have thinking abilities — or if it’s related to Obama, then you are an obot... LOL...

With some freepers this is related to being in the “borg collective”...

[Vendome]

Thanks YellowRose:

I have written about this and the point is; if we take Obama at his word and he was adopted at 7 and took a new name of Barry Sotero then when did he become Barack Obama.

You cannot change your Birth Certificate when you choose a new identity as such, the BC he has presented is a fraud.

[jamese777]

Janice Okubo who is the Director of Communications for the State of Hawaii’s Health Department explained the use of the term “African.” Hawaii has always allowed the parents of a child to determine what is listed as their race because Hawaii is such a multiracial state. Barack Obama Senior chose the term “African” as his racial designation. Even today, it is typical for persons from sub-Saharan Africa who live in the US to not use the term “black” (which has particular reference to American born blacks) as their preferred racial designator.

[jamese777]

You’re wrong. “Politifact” of the St. Petersburg Times and “Factcheck.org” are in no way related to each other aside from both having the word “fact” in their names.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

My argument from the start (here and on other threads) has been, Why not show the standard birth certificate just like the little people have to do, Mr. Obama?

I know that there is "no controlling legal authority" but why not do it anyway, sir?

The St Pete fact web site says Janice Okubo confirmed that "Its a valid Hawaii state birth certificate."

Where are such affirmative declarations in news articles, statements made by Hawaii civil servants about the standard birth certificate (the one that the "little people" must produce)? I wonder. (Just wondering.)

The St. Pete fact site ended with a little too much cuteness and a questionable assertion that there's nothing to "support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic."

"And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.

"But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.

"There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.

"And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust."

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Just show us the standard little-people form of your birth certificate and end this crazy stuff, Mr. Obama. TIA. (fat chance)

If ya don't I bet lawyers will be lining up to challenge all acts of your administration that adversely affect their clients. Pay now or pay later.

[FreeAtlanta]

I am with you. If there is a Constitution Party candidate, he/she will get my active support. I keep getting fooled by this guy. If he doesn't show backbone and put up some real opposition in Washington, there is no way he will win again. I almost voted for Demint or whatever his name was, but Sarah Palin's visit helped ge me and several of my family and friends to vote for this pathetic RINO. I am tired of it.

Isakson is next up for vote. He tends to be a RINO, too. Maybe, it's time for some modest feeling of payback. I hate to see a Democrat win, but I am sick of the weak knees.

[FreeAtlanta]

I agree, but I am going to wait till I cool down some.... it might be a day or two or never.

[FreeAtlanta]

Let him keep his junk up. It helps to keep the threads alive, and gives us a chance to refute his pathetic arguements. Call him Straw Traveler... as in Straw Man. We set him up, only to knock his arguement down. :-)

[FreeAtlanta]

The point is, we can't try a 100 year old case. We can ask or demand that Obama have a simple ten dollar certified birth certificate mailed to several media outlets and to congress.

Why doesn't his legal team submit the "public" certificate of live birth to courts? Would submitting a forgery be grounds for disbarment?

[FreeAtlanta]

Then have your man simply have the documents mailed to several media outlets and to congress.

[FreeAtlanta]

If it is so legit, why doesn’t his legal team submit this “public” certificate of live birth to the courts? Would submitting a forgery be grounds for disbarment?

[Vendome]

just went to the link and it proves that Obama is in the midst of a fraud. On his “Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Record” he is asked to supply any “Former Full Names”.

He was at one time Barry Sotero, when he was adopted. At what point, after his adoption, did he become Barack H. Obama?

He could not submit a birth certificate of Barack Obama as his original was sealed and no longer valid upon his adoption.

If he used the BC that he found in his mother’s belongings and that BC was copy of his original, pre-adoption BC, then he has committed fraud as that BC is no longer valid.

http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf

http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamadriving.jpg

http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamamarriage.jpg

Mind you these are not applications but documents based on information from applications. The information on the application is either true or not.

A document based on fraudulent information is invalid.

[Aurorales]

“Call him Straw Traveler... as in Straw Man. We set him up, only to knock his arguement down. :-)”
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You’re absolutely right.
I will go days without replying. Just reading.
But some threads just get to me.

I’m sure you have noticed that “Straw Man” never answers direct questions or arguments. Just repeats random gibberish.

I guess someone should always reply. We have many lurkers on this site. Maybe it will answer their unasked questions on the subject.

Thanks for talking me down. There is a bright side to almost everything.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Many endured ridicule, threats, and isolation for years before the Congress relented and conducted real hearings on Ruby Ridge and Waco. They didn't give up -- the contumely was just as thick back then and came from both left and right, also. For example, only a few talk radio shows would touch it. This ain't new.

[jamese777]

“The point is, we can’t try a 100 year old case. We can ask or demand that Obama have a simple ten dollar certified birth certificate mailed to several media outlets and to congress.
Why doesn’t his legal team submit the “public” certificate of live birth to courts? Would submitting a forgery be grounds for disbarment?”

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The only proof of natural born American status that Obama need ever show has been posted on the World Wide Web for all to see since June. There is no law in the United States, local, state or federal that requires any more than what he has already provided. That was the point of Senator Saxby Chambliss’letter and that’s what 11 different state and federal courts have already decided by not taking any of these nuisance suits to trial.
Whether you like it or accept it or not, Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 P.M.
His birth was registered with the state of Hawaii on August 8, 1961 and his birth notices appeared in the two local Honolulu newspapers on Sunday, August 13, 1961 with the information for those birth notices coming directly from the Bureau of Vital Statistics.
If the copy of Obama’s birth certificate that is posted on the interent was a forgery, the state of Hawaii could have undertaken criminal charges against Obama and yes, he could be disbarred. The state of Hawaii and no one else has taken such an action and the state of Hawaii’s Health Department’s offical spokesperson confirmed the authenticity of the internet posted document back in June.
At the bottom of every copy of Hawaii Certificates of Live Birth it says: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b), 338-19.
Obama is a constitutional lawyer, he knows that he is legally covered. If someone wants to write new federal legislation requiring ONLY vault copies of birth certificates as proof of natural born status, they can write that law for the next President. But in 2008 and 2009, there is no such law.

[FreeAtlanta]

We will see. History has been written and is still to be written on this case.

[jamese777]

Yes, on that we are in total agreement.