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To: STE=Q
If he were born in Hawaii why doesn’t he just release his vault ‘BC’ and be done with it?

Because as far as he's concerned he's done all that's required. He's released his certificate of birth and the state of Hawaii has said it has his original birth certificate on file. That's already more than prior presidents have done. So from Obama's point of view he's done with the matter, and all the lawsuits for him to produce this or produce that is seen by him as frivolous. For him to agree now to voluntarily produce more would be an admission that he didn't do enough or, worse, an admission that doubts about what he has produced are valid. So he isn't going to produce anything without a court order to do so first. And he's going to fight the law suits in court. And why shouldn't he? He hasn't lost a single one to date.

I had to send copies of my vital regards in order to get my California Real Estate license and undergo a full FBI background check too!

Obama isn't applying for a California Real Estate license so whatever hoops Sacramento has you jump through is irrelevant. What would be relevant would be if you can point to a law requiring presidential candidates to produce their birth certificates and what agency is tasked with checking them.

Certainly you would agree that it is not unreasonable for us to expect the same from one who wishes to serve as our president?

I expect them to follow the law. Right now I can't point to where Obama is violating it.

If the above remedy for this mishap — release of Obama’s vital records — is not within the purview of the law, then what compelling recourse do we have but to apply social and ‘other’ means of pressure?

A compelling pressure that I could think of would be to provide concrete evidence that Obama is lying and that he was not born in Hawaii like he claims. That's about the only way I can think that a court will order Obama to produce anything.

You do agree that a well informed public is preferable to an ill informed public — as a buffer against government tyranny?

Generally. But there is a segment of the public that'll believe anything. Tens of thousands believe the government shot down TWA 800. Tens of thousands believe the government was responsible for bringing down the World Trade Center on 9/11/01. One could argue how big a buffer they are against government tyranny.

In view of the above I would be hard pressed to imagine why any American — well seated in our traditions — would not champion such efforts to bring this issue to the public square.

Perhaps one might need a reason to do so? Something other than internet rumor?

A case could be made that by not clearing these ever mounting doubts, Obama is militating against the good faith of those citizens that have voted for him — and even those that have not supported him.

I doubt Obama is as worried about that as much as you are. Though I'm sure he appreciates your concern.

Therefore, many of us, not unreasonably, harbor grave doubts as to the probity if not the eligibility of our future President.

Never have so many doubted so much with so little to back it up. With apologies to Sir Winston Churchill.

212 posted on 12/17/2008 4:52:41 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur; moder_ator
To ALL:

I havn't the time or inclination to address your non answers to my questions...

Except where you wrote, as follows:

"He's released his certificate of birth and the state of Hawaii has said it has his original birth certificate on file."

You know as well as we all know that a 'certificate of(live) birth' does not prove that he was born in Hawaii!

In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth is different from a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.

Such a Certificate could be obtained up to one year from the date of the child’s birth.

Also, the vault (long Version) birth certificate allows the birth in another State or another country to be registered in Hawaii.

Therefore, the state of Hawaii saying that his 'original birth certificate is on file' does not prove that his birth was in Hawaii.

This was explained to you many many times!

Why are you -- deliberately -- spreading misinformation?

I have never -- EVER!-- accused ANYONE of being a troll!

For you I will make an exception!

STE=Q

217 posted on 12/17/2008 6:12:18 PM PST by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The uniqueness of Obama’s past and the constant covering it up should end. He has not released proof of his eligibility and refusing to do so it he can will not help him.

Now that the entire nation is getting a good idea of the corrupt political environment he comes from he is being weakened already and doesn’t need unnecessary opposition.

Most of us here will accept the Governor of Hawaii’s word if he would ask her to speak it.


228 posted on 12/17/2008 11:20:16 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Non-Sequitur

He has NOT released his “certificate of live birth”. What he has released is a “CERTIFICATION of live birth” which is a different thing entirely, could be produced for someone born outside the State of Hawaii (his sister has one and she was born in Indonesia), and even the State of Hawaii does not accept the thing as birth evidence in all cases.....besides, the one posted on various web sites may have been altered.......there’s enough there to raise a great deal of doubt.


229 posted on 12/18/2008 1:09:08 AM PST by Southbound ("A liar in public is worse than a full-paid-up Communist and I don't care who he is" - HST)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Excellent post. You ought to put that up on your profile as answers to FAQ.

I'm done arguing with these birthers. You are correct to say they wouldn't believe Obama is a natural born citizen if they heard it from a burning bush. I can't believe the time I've wasted on these idiots.

Well, I guess it's not all wasted. Posts from people like us, at the very lease, provide proof that this website isn't just made up of crackpots, though I must say it sure seems like that at times.

271 posted on 12/18/2008 9:20:04 PM PST by curiosity
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