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Over 2T tons of ice melted in arctic since '03 (think of the polar bears!)
AP via Yahoo ^ | Tue Dec 16 2008 | Too ashamed to say

Posted on 12/16/2008 9:34:31 AM PST by PreciousLiberty

WASHINGTON – More than 2 trillion tons of land ice in Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska have melted since 2003, according to new NASA satellite data that show the latest signs of what scientists say is global warming.

More than half of the loss of landlocked ice in the past five years has occurred in Greenland, based on measurements of ice weight by NASA's GRACE satellite, said NASA geophysicist Scott Luthcke. The water melting from Greenland in the past five years would fill up about 11 Chesapeake Bays, he said, and the Greenland melt seems to be accelerating.

NASA scientists planned to present their findings Thursday at the American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco. Luthcke said Greenland figures for the summer of 2008 aren't complete yet, but this year's ice loss, while still significant, won't be as severe as 2007.

The news was better for Alaska. After a precipitous drop in 2005, land ice increased slightly in 2008 because of large winter snowfalls, Luthcke said. Since 2003, when the NASA satellite started taking measurements, Alaska has lost 400 billion tons of land ice.

In assessing climate change, scientists generally look at several years to determine the overall trend.

Melting of land ice, unlike sea ice, increases sea levels very slightly. In the 1990s, Greenland didn't add to world sea level rise; now that island is adding about half a millimeter of sea level rise a year, NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally said in a telephone interview from the conference.

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Other research, being presented this week at the geophysical meeting point to more melting concerns from global warming, especially with sea ice.

"It's not getting better; it's continuing to show strong signs of warming and amplification," Zwally said. "There's no reversal taking place."

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I had to snip a short paragraph in order to fit as excerpt, with Zwally's statement at the end.

As a data point, the "2 trillion tons of ice melt" they are talking about represents about 0.0074% of the "land ice" in the world. They are also not mentioning ice _accumulation_ that's happened in some regions, for instance parts of Antarctica.

Also, take a look at the animation at the bottom of this page:

http://www.socc.ca/seaice/seaice_current_e.cfm

Most of the summer's anomalies have been wiped out - and remember the anomalies are against historical averages. Also, we're not even quite to winter yet, and it looks to be a very cold one...

We're about to the end of 2008, with sunspot activity still at a definite minimum - looks to be more cold times ahead.

1 posted on 12/16/2008 9:34:31 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
Sounds like we need an Ice Bailout.

(Just put it on our tab.)

2 posted on 12/16/2008 9:37:45 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Over 2T tons of ice melted in arctic since '03 (think of the polar bears!)

It's all in New Hampshire, now.

3 posted on 12/16/2008 9:38:20 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: PreciousLiberty

0.0074%!!!! oh geeze run for the hills people!!!

Do you think these blatant misrepresentations are largely because of the media and maybe one or two “scientists” who play ball and give them idiotic quotes to print? I hate to think NASA scientists are in on it too.


4 posted on 12/16/2008 9:38:24 AM PST by nominal
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To: PreciousLiberty

obama’s fault......


5 posted on 12/16/2008 9:38:41 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: PreciousLiberty

I didnt realize how important global warming was till I saw the new “the day the earth stood still”. We better shape up, who knows when the aliens are going to come and eliminate us cause we’re destroying our planet? And Im sure when they do come they will go right after the movies stars for creating such a travesty on the silver screen.


6 posted on 12/16/2008 9:39:48 AM PST by Edizzl79 (you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
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To: PreciousLiberty

It was named GREENLAND for a reason...


7 posted on 12/16/2008 9:40:01 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: nominal

“NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally said in a telephone interview from the conference”
blah..nevermind they’re in on it


8 posted on 12/16/2008 9:40:44 AM PST by nominal
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To: Puppage

The Little Ice Age in the 1400’s, I believe was brought on by Greenland ice melt. Lasted into the mid-1700s. Could be wrong.


9 posted on 12/16/2008 9:41:20 AM PST by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Edizzl79

I never knew that Polar Bears lived on a diet of ice. I thought they drank Coca Cola. What did Polar Bears do to survive before the Polar Ice caps formed during the Ice Age?


10 posted on 12/16/2008 9:41:36 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: PreciousLiberty
More than half of the loss of landlocked ice in the past five years has occurred in Greenland . . .

And yet Greenland still isn't as warm and green as it was around 900 to 1300.

11 posted on 12/16/2008 9:42:12 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: PreciousLiberty

And if they didn’t tell us, we would never know it. That’s some crisis.


12 posted on 12/16/2008 9:43:56 AM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Edizzl79


We are dangerously close to invoking the rage of the Ice Queen ...
13 posted on 12/16/2008 9:45:20 AM PST by Scythian
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To: PreciousLiberty

14 posted on 12/16/2008 9:45:23 AM PST by BenLurkin ("Mrs. Claus is a very lucky woman, sir.")
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To: PreciousLiberty

I like this site:

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=08&fd=04&fy=2007&sm=08&sd=04&sy=2008


15 posted on 12/16/2008 9:45:41 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: PreciousLiberty
As a data point, the "2 trillion tons of ice melt"

And where did the ice come from to begin with?

16 posted on 12/16/2008 9:45:49 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: nominal

One of the worst prevaricators, James Hansen works for NASA and he’s one of the biggest global warming propagandists in existence. He deliberately fudges NASA’s weather data to create global warming scare scenarios that have no existence in reality. The lying incompetent Hansen should be fired by NASA.


17 posted on 12/16/2008 9:46:25 AM PST by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

All I want to know is how much has the ocean levels risen in the past 20 year as proof?

Our friends seawall down in Florida is the same distance off the water at high tide since it was put in, and that was back in the 50’s.


18 posted on 12/16/2008 9:46:38 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: nominal

Notice the headline reads: 2 trillion tons of ice melted..
We are talking about it

Had it read: 0.0074% of ice melted...
No one would even bother to read it.


19 posted on 12/16/2008 9:50:27 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Global warming is a socialist plot to surren der control of the government to environmentalist WHACKOS. Don’t buy into it.


20 posted on 12/16/2008 9:50:27 AM PST by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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