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To: Dave in Eugene of all places
Nice post to me "Dave in Eugene of all places." You seem to have the socio-economic side down. I've been to a nice old commune) yep right out there near grants Pass...(an plethora of differing politics but they're a group of once '66 and '67 ex vets, and dopers, who now keep up the commune about the same way.

I've met a lot of survivalists but few militias in Oregon ..of course I don't hang out with militias and as much as I've "heard" of this or that militia...see folks walking around in BDU's who are clearly NOT reg Military thenr they're either wanna be's. once were's, maybe duck hunters/ hunter in general...militias(??) or anarchists leaders( oxymoron on that one). To me oregon..and latitudes farther North will have it's extreme left and right...I like the real old hippies, the smart educated folks that know bee keeping, even rustle cattle and do their best to "keep life "organic....but on the same vein I love the old ranchers, farmers and such who have been around for years

To me now, after reading your post I am wondering if the bomber may have been a solo guy that may have infested and lost everything...or hold a personalgrudge....no profiler me, but it seems weird to send a bomb to a bank.

As someone wrote( or more now) ..we'll soon find out..sadly.

57 posted on 12/15/2008 5:53:59 PM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Karliner

The dude in the mugshot, Joshua Abraham Turnidge, looks like a cop to me.

Joshua Turnidge - Salem, OR | Facebook

www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Turnidge/1037247383

I don’t have a facebook account & am not going to sign up to look, but the profile looks like it’s there.


58 posted on 12/15/2008 7:12:39 PM PST by Clinging Bitterly (Starve the beast.)
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To: Karliner
The old hippies, the rural type are OK by me as well. More likely to be driving an old F-250 than a Prius, and understand they are a part of the necessarily diverse society, and not the superior model to which everyone else should conform. I run into them from all over, in all kinds of places.

My long gone dad lived that lifestyle before it was a hippie culture. Born in 1912 and in the Navy a Pearl Harbor survivor (a Quaker, he served as a carpenter/fitter), after the war moved from midwest and bought a small farm in Oregon up the McKenzie from Eugene. Built his own gravity powered water system, combination of propane and DC generator lighting, wood & propane heat and cooking, propane refrigeration. Even put a gas engine on a clothes washer. Built greenhouses of his own design for year round growing, raised hogs & chickens. Shot deer with an ancient Stevens .22 which I still have. Was in the process of designing a water exchanger heat pump to extract heat from the ground when the family started growing & he sold the farm for bigger digs closer to the main road (but still raised hogs & added goats and all scaled up beyond subsistence), but from 1946-1959 lived that off the grid dream. If not for going from one kid to adding a set of twins (one was me) perhaps would have stayed on the old farm.

I was always a rural or semi-rural dweller until adulthood and have been in the city limits of Eugene or Springfield since 1979. I hope to be moving closer to nature very soon.

60 posted on 12/16/2008 1:13:51 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (Starve the beast.)
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