Native and natural mean the same thing. See Johnson's Dictionary.
Posted on 12/06/2008 4:18:27 PM PST by Deepest End
If Bobby Jindal’s parents were naturalized citizens of the US at the time of his birth, then he is “natural born”, and he is eligible to run for president. If they were not naturalized yet at that time, then he is “native born” and not eligible for the presidency.
Donofrio’s argument is that 0bama’s father was not a citizen, which means that he is not ‘natural born’.
Your link is bad. Besides, “citizen” is defined in the 14th Amendment. There’s two kinds: born and naturalized. “Born citizen” and “natural born citizen” mean the exact same thing.
“This is nonsense. If he was born in the United States, then he is a natural born citizen. The citizenship of his parents is irrelevant.
Does anyone around here even bother to read the Constitution anymore? Enough with this idiocy already. All persons born in the United States (except for foreign ministers and such) are citizens of the United States. Period.
Yes, anyone born in the United States is a citizen. However they are not a “natural born” citizen unless their parents were citizens. The distinction of being a “natural born” citizen is specific to the person who would hold the office of President. A citizen can be a Governor, House member, Senator, but only a “natural born” citizen can be President per the Constitution. A “natural born” citizen is one who was born on US soil, and was born of two parents who were citizens.
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Agreed
Read it.
I have.
US Constitution, Article II. Section 1. Paragraph 5.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Now, what part of "natural born citizen" don't you understand?
Notice the distinction between "natural born citizen" and "citizen"?
Or are you suggesting that Obama was " Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"?
Sorry, I’m on the better half’s laptop, Im all thumbs: just google `federalist blog, natural born citizen’ and that should get you there.
You are taking literalist (simplistic) view. Reduce “born citizen” to just “citizen”. There is a difference between citizens and natural born citizens, anjd that’s what this case is all about. Also there is a federal statute, section 1992, you might look at as well, referenced in the article.
FR is about shedding light right? Truth. And so forth.
Native and natural mean the same thing. See Johnson's Dictionary.
Read the 14th Amendment.
I sense the latter.
No. I'm saying that if Obama was born in Hawaii, then the 14th Amendment says he is a citizen of the United States. A citizen can be either natural born or naturalized. There is no other type of citizenship in this country. Obama wasn't naturalized. You do the math.
Actually, Sandy, Obama was naturalized by default, by his own admission. You’re wrong and you probably know it. Do you even realize that he admitted to being a British citizen also at birth? ... Are they missing you over at DU?
From what I’ve read, Bobby Jindal’s mother was 4 months pregnant with him when she and his father arrived from India in 1970 to study in the U.S. I have no idea what kind of visa they were on, student or permanent resident, but they would not yet have qualified for naturalization.
Absolutely. I'm an original meaning originalist, aka a textualist, when it comes to interpreting the Constitution.
My earlier referenced suspicion was correct.
Doesn't constitutionally matter.
Poor Sandy, so confused. By default, by his dual at birth citizenship, he is not a Constitutionally natural-born citizen of The U.S., yet he was naturalized when his British citizenship expired, according to his own words, Sadny. Your continuing prattle will be amusing, but not worth the pixels used to display it.
Barack Hussein Barry Soetoro Dunham Obama states on his web site:
"As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
How can a person born under the laws governing a British citizen possibly be a "natural born" US citizen?
So then regardless of what Obama's BC states, he does not qualify.
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