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Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

By Amy Hollyfield

SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.

It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.

“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”

“I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate’ you were sent.”

“Something doesn’t smell right.”

Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.

“You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”

At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.

And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?

• • •

Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.

Birth Certificate

As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.

Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."

The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.

On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started.

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

• • •

At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.

• • •

Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.

He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.

“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”

Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.

“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”

Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.

“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”

• • •

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”

Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

• • •

And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.

And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.


95 posted on 12/04/2008 10:25:47 PM PST by XR7
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To: XR7

Why release the document to a webhosting closely connected org which has been recipient of millions from Obama’s Annenberg board tenure, and not post it with the national elections board or even the DNC? Peddle that crap somewhere else. Axelrod would be please that you used the ploy, however. I’m sure those web connections aren’t cheap for the Obamanoid squad. And ya know what, now Freepers will do background on Politifact.com I will bet you a cup of Starbucks that either Soros or another socialist/marxist anti-american funding source is behind them. Might even be connected directly to David Axelrod and his astroturfing works.


104 posted on 12/04/2008 10:37:32 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: XR7

Okay, so where is his BC that changes his name to Barry Sotero? There is one or he was not adopted. If he was not adopted how is it that he is known in Indonesia as Barry Sotero and how did he change his name to that or back to Barack Obama. Where are the legal documents?


123 posted on 12/04/2008 10:51:07 PM PST by Vendome
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To: XR7
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

They conveniently left out what she went on to say :

“When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.” Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

So they can't confirm that the copy posted on the site is a legitimate copy.It may resemble one, but it can't be authenticated

135 posted on 12/04/2008 11:04:26 PM PST by TheCipher
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We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

That just about reveals the total stupidity of this article...

I'f I email you a scanned image of a $20.00 bill would declare it "real"?

BTW, when did Janice Okubo become a forensic document expert able to determine that the document was NOT forged as claimed by several experts.

137 posted on 12/04/2008 11:06:14 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: XR7

Yes, please keep believing this is all about the birth certificate.

Then when you Obots realize that there's dozens of cases that are meandering through the court system at this time, quietly being constructed to challenge SOSs, EC delegates, and state party chairmen; some from military personnel, others by ED delegations, still others by state officials themselves, realizing existing statute does not provide for verification of eligibility requirements, while also calling for action in the "natural born citizen" and "dual citizenship" issues ....

The Obot tone and talking points will change to something like:

"Those are just a bunch of tin-foil hat wearing right wingers, sore about their guy losing." OR

"The economy is too weak to handle the drama of ordering a new election." OR

"The Constitution is was written by people 200-plus years ago. The 'term of art' of 'natural born citizen' is obsolete in the 21st century." OR

"There will be riots if the election is overturned."

... but ultimately when the Obots realize there's MORE people who care about the Rule of Law and upholding the Constitution, than Obots who seem to only care about having their guy "WIN" (like it's a football game), the Obots will be left with the only reaction they can muster:


146 posted on 12/04/2008 11:18:47 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: XR7

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion ... to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.

Where have you been, on the moon?


166 posted on 12/05/2008 3:13:54 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: XR7
I don't know why in the world you sent me that piece by Amy Hollyfield from PolitiFact.com. What credentials does she carry? What reputation does she have for objectivity? As far as I know, she's never been anything but a leftist MSM acolyte for the St. Petersberg Times.

Useful idiots like her love to tell us to have faith in government. Well, anyone who has ever dealt with government knows that it makes an awful lot of goofs, and even releases disinformation by design on occasion.

In this piece she tries to obfuscate the obvious fact that Barack Obama has never presented a bona fide birth certificate to the American public. I will repeat: A Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" is not a Hawaii Birth Certificate!

FReeper Ron Polarik has put out a scientific paper on the 'Net which specifically rebuts Politifact.com and other pro-Obama web sites by proving that the COLB displayed by them is a forgery. He carries a heck of a lot more profesional credentials in this area than the likes of Amy Hollyfield.

180 posted on 12/05/2008 8:13:58 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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