Posted on 12/04/2008 5:34:20 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
So when the day comes that Congress, like the Chinese communists, rules that your wife must endure an abortion, and the Supreme Court agrees, you intend to just simply vote against it? You won't take up arms and protect your family? Your children don't have an unalienable right to life that you are entitled to protect?
Silly argument...
You said your ancestors were from here. If you don't like America the way it is, change it within the system or do what your ancestors did and scoot to greener pastures. I like it here.
Not astute. Just a survival skill acquired at the university of hard knocks.
I could reframe that and ask you if people would more or less likely to “start sh*t” with their fellow travelers if they are armed.
I don’t know what the right answer is, because it’s not a clearcut issue, IMO.
But on what basis do you wish the judicial branch to review the law, if not based on passages in the Constitution? And where do those passages come from? If they are so complex that only the courts can understand them, then I guess only the courts would be entitled to create such passages. But that isn't where such passages come from, is it?
I don't see that day coming, but should it, I will do what I have to. I think, however, that external threats are much more real than internal ones. I am more afraid of sitting next to a wide receiver at a club than I am of my congressman.
My mother was born here. My father was born in the Ukraine.
I like America the way it is supposed to be. Not this watered down version you seem to approve of. As I said, you could avoid all of us gun nut radicals and just move back to Britain.
Curious. What are you doing about CA NOT having a must-issue statute?
And risk getting shot? Not bloody likely. Best to just be nice and ignore my fellow travelers until we part ways.
As it is now, most people don't have that option. Some thug puts an illegal gun in their face and they have no recourse at all.
Look at the per person crime stats in highly gun controlled areas vs those same stats in places like Kennesaw, GA. I'd say that is ample evidence on a very clear cut issue.
I like it here. You are the one complaining. Do something about it. Organize, march, petition congress. Bitching on FR isn't going to do very much to free Plaxico or Mumia.
Soliton has already stated that he will use carry arms to protect his family even when against the law.
I would quote from your link but realize that you really didn't know all that was in it when you posted.
Tough. I like freedom. You lose the moral high ground by insisting your government agents can stick their guns in my face because I insist on carrying a gun.
As for organizing... Already on it...
Bump!
It's the system. Change it if you don't like it.
I meant that with a certain %age of people, having a gun would make them more aggressive.
As it is now, most people don't have that option. Some thug puts an illegal gun in their face and they have no recourse at all.
That's true, and it's a major concern. Then again, how often does it happen? Never in my life has anyone pulled a gun on me, and I have been in some sketchy neighborhoods.
Look at the per person crime stats in highly gun controlled areas vs those same stats in places like Kennesaw, GA. I'd say that is ample evidence on a very clear cut issue.
All the evidence I need is to look at what is the safest big city in this country.
They are not my government agents. It is what it is. Break the law and I won't come for you. Do what you like
William Rawle on the Second Amendment
Is that a bit better for you? I'm guessing not...
Here's the money shot for you:
The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both.
Or do we now have to have an argument about whether or not William knew what he was talking about?
There have been a couple of petition drives to amend the Kalifornia constitution. Unfortunately, the experts believe that this cannot be accomplished unless funded to the tune of about 18 million dollars.
A case like Plaxico's reaching the US Supreme Court would actually be great. The same five Justices who recognized the right to "keep" handguns in our homes would certainly recognize a right to "bear" handguns in those places that a person must, of necessity, go to in the daily conduct of their lives. And that same Court would recognize that no county sheriff is justified in deciding whether or not such a person has a good reason to be armed. Self-defense and defense of one's family would be sufficient for all.
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