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To: Citizen Blade

You are incorrect. I am not trying to create a third type of citizen. Our Constitution recognizes TWO types of citizens:

(1) Natural born citizens of the United States (can be President)

(2) Citizens of the United States (cannot be President)

We don’t need the 14th Amendment to define natural born citizen (#1).

The 14th Amendment defines citizens of the United States (#2).

The 14th Amendment defines how one achieves the title ‘citizen of the United States’. As stated, there is more than ONE WAY to become a citizen of the United States.

One can be BORN in the US AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof (Obama or Wong Kim Ark)

OR

One can be NATURALIZED in the US AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Under the 14th Amendment they are given the SAME type of citizenship.

Wong Kim Ark = citizen of the United States
Barack Obama = citizen of the United States
Arnold Schwarzenegger = citizen of the United States

Because all of them were either, in accordance with the 14th Amendment:

(1)BORN in the United States AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof

OR

(2)NATURALIZED in the United States AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

Again, there are TWO types of citizens:

Natural born citizens of the United States (achieved ONE way)

Citizens of the United States (achieved various ways)

Again, Obama’s campaign has ADMITTED he is a 14th Amendment citizen.

14th Amendment citizens are citizens of the United States. They are not natural born citizens of the United States.


578 posted on 12/05/2008 9:02:42 AM PST by wndawmn666
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To: wndawmn666
The 14th Amendment defines citizens of the United States (#2).

The point of the 14th Amendment was to override state laws which would have worked to prevent former slaves from qualifying as citizens.

14th Amendment citizens are citizens of the United States. They are not natural born citizens of the United States.

There is not such thing as a "14th Amendment citizen." All the 14th Amendment did was wipe out any state laws that would have denied citizenship to people who would have otherwise been citizen, if it had not been for their race.

The 14th Amendment was passed for a very specific purpose.

So, once again, there are two types of citizens: naturalized citizens (who cannot serve as President) and citizens from birth (who can).

580 posted on 12/05/2008 9:58:15 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: wndawmn666
"I am not trying to create a third type of citizen."

Yes you are. 'Naturalized', 'natural born', and your new type, 'born a citizen but not a natural born citizen'. Look up 'natural born' in the dictionary. Been in the language 200 years longer than the COTUS has been in existence. If it meant more, other, different or what ever adjective you want to apply from the dictionary definition, wouldn't there be another dictionary definition to evidence that? There isn't another definition, therefore, there isn't another definition.

721 posted on 12/06/2008 9:01:55 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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