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Thomas Breaks Tradition: Forces Supreme Court to Look at Obama Citizenship Case
THE AFRO-AMERICAN NEWSPAPERS ^
| 12/3/08
| James Wright, AFRO Staff Reporter
Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
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To: Bronwynn; Windflier; calenel; BP2; Chunga; HarleyLady27; thesetruths; pepperhead; Chet 99; ...
Thursday morning, and I’m catching up on last night’s posts...
Natural Born Citizen vs. Regular US Citizen.
Source:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
You can spend an hour on Leo Donofrio’s website, reading lenghty commentaries on constitutional law.
I recommend to bookmark it.
There are dozens of details we have never discussed or paid attention to that Donofrio has researched.
For any newbies, we DO KNOW, the short form Birth Certification, as shown on Factcheck.org, is a FORGERY!!
I want to keep hammering this. Factcheck.org, being owned by Annenberg, is not a reliable source of information.
NEVER trust Factcheck.org.
Proof is here:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:19:35 AM PST
by
CaraM
(Faithless is he who quits when the road darkens.)
To: TChris
The passage in our Constitution reads a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:20:40 AM PST
by
jla
To: Chet 99
Obama either was a natural born citizen at the time of birth or he is an illegal alien who should be deported (because he never went through the naturalization process). Take your pick.
Actually I believe he could be a citizen at best (not natural born) or an illegal alien. There is no way they can put him as natural born having a father that was not a US citizen at the time of his birth. Here are 2 cases that may help:
Case 1: The Case Perkins v. ELG, 307 U.S> 325 (1939) this expands and refers on the U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark's case definition of nationality.
Miss Elg was born in Brooklyn, NY on October 2, 1907. Her parents who were natives of Sweden emigrated to the United States sometime prior to 1906 and her father was naturalized here in that year. Perkins v. Elg 307 U.S. 325, 327 (1939)
Elg is a Citizen of the United States. Perkins v Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 328 (1939) Citizenship Matrix = 1 foreigner parent (Sweden) and 1 U.S. citizen parent (naturalized by US statute) and born in Brooklyn, NY.
Case 2: The facts were these: One Steinkauler, a Prussian subject by birth, emigrated to the United States in 1848, was naturalized in 1854, and in the following year had a son who was born in St. Louis. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 330 (1939).
Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 330 (1939). Citizenship Matrix = 2 US Citizen parents (at least one naturalized by US statute) AND Born in St. Louis, MO (USA)
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:20:53 AM PST
by
jcsjcm
(Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
To: Roccus
But if Donofrio is suing for something that he himself has claimed is already public knowledge, and supported by Obama’s own COLB, than on what basis would the SCOTUS request further documentation, such as original birth records?
Unless I missed something, Donofrio is only holding the NJ SoS liable for not acknowledging what was made public by Obama himself, via his own “forged” COLB. If they are going to rule as to what is printed on his his COLB (forged or not), rather than its accuracy, I just do not see a path to the original birth records for his case.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:24:57 AM PST
by
motoman
To: Chet 99
This may have already been posted to Chet99, but I haven't finished reading everything.
Chet99, it could be likely if he was born in Hawaii that he is a citizen. Yes, born on US soil you are a US Citizen. That does not pass the right of being a natural born citizen. I think people confuse the fact that women have children naturally, so if you are born you are born natural. This is not the terminology that our founding fathers were talking about.
Born to two US citizens on US soil = Natural born status.
Born to 1 US citizen and 1 Foreign citizen on US soil = US Citizen.
Born to 1 US citizen under age and 1 Foreign citizen out of the Country = Foreign citizen.
Born to 1 US citizen of age and 1 foreign citizen out of country = US citizen if you so desire!
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:26:55 AM PST
by
jcsjcm
(Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
To: calenel
>>> What law says that? It certainly isn’t defined that way in the COTUS.
Calenel, there are plenty of SCOTUS cases that support that definition of NBC.
However, if you go with “it isn’t defined that way in the COTUS” Theory, the Justices will go back and make an “Originalist” determination of what the Framers “meant.” That works against Obama EVEN MORE.
Pick your poison.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:27:08 AM PST
by
BP2
(I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
To: nanetteclaret
Which just proves the point about divided loyalty which the Founding Fathers were trying to make. Given the stories floating around about Obamas visit to Kenya and his meddling in their election, it would certainly seem that he has divided loyalties. Not to mention the fact of all his relatives still in Kenya.
EXACTLY!
147
posted on
12/04/2008 5:27:38 AM PST
by
so_real
To: montesquiue
To: jla
if you’re going to quote the U.S. Constitution, at least do it with some respect and do it accurately.
To: motoman
But if Donofrio is suing for something that he himself has claimed is already public knowledge, and supported by Obamas own COLB, than on what basis would the SCOTUS request further documentation, such as original birth records? Perhaps the fact that the state of Hawaii itself does not always recognize the short form COLB to be proof of birth location? Somewhere along this long, torturous epic it has been stated that in order to qualify for some sort of "homestead" status in HI, the short form COLB is insuffecient. If it (COLB) is not good enough for Hawaii, then how can it be for the NJ SoS or SCOTUS?
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:39:10 AM PST
by
Roccus
(Someday it'll all make sense.............maybe.)
To: bvw
“...The revolution will be live.”
It *will* be on the internet though! :)
To: BP2
Pick your poison. Really? Listen, you might as well pray for aliens to come to Earth and kidnap Obama so he can't become President, because that's about as likely as the Supreme Court ruling that he isn't eligible.
Not going to happen. But it will be interesting to watch the gnashing of teeth tomorrow morning when the Court denies cert.
To: BP2
“BOTH PARENTS MUST BE U.S. CITIZENS AND THE CHILD MUST BE BORN ON U.S. SOIL”
Factually incorrect. A natural born citizen is anyone born within the United States. How do I know? Because I'm a natural born citizen and when I was born neither of my parents were citizens. I've done all the legal footwork on this. It's a fact.
This entire “Obama is not a natural born citizen” episode is very silly. Sure he could have stopped it early on but I think he's enjoying the sight of a bunch of people make fools of themselves.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:44:24 AM PST
by
ZekeNY
To: TChris
What is the definition of natural born? There are three ways to become a US citizen, birth thru blood, jus sanguinis; birth on US soil, jus solis; and naturalization. The first two are, IMO, natural born. If Obama was born in the US, he is a natural born US citizen. If he was born in Kenya, then he has a problem.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:45:55 AM PST
by
kabar
To: BP2; LucyT; Polarik; Beckwith; Fred Nerks; F15Eagle; george76
The AFRO shuchk and jive. Not being able to avoid this story, they do not reveal the facts.
Obama was born in Kenya , as his relatives have repeatedly said. Notice that AFRO says nothing about that.Why?
Our nation is divided now into free patriots and those who wish to abandon our constitution for "socially secure" bondage. Many of us go not quietly into that dark.
Many of us will fight it regardless of cost or consequence.
155
posted on
12/04/2008 5:45:58 AM PST
by
Candor7
(Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
To: BP2
156
posted on
12/04/2008 5:47:12 AM PST
by
gunnyg
To: BP2
My parents or one parent were/was born in Virginia. My mother, pregnant with me, is visiting in Ireland where she goes into labor and I am born in a hostpital in Galway City. We return to the U.S. a few weeks later. Am I eligible to one day run for POTUS?
And the passage from our Constitution reads 'natural born or citizen of the U.S. ...'
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:52:22 AM PST
by
jla
To: John Valentine
NO case heard in the Supreme Court has EVER held that birthright citizenship is granted under the 14th Amendment to the children of people in the United States illegally. Or legally, for that matter, if not admitted as immigrants.However, under current laws and practice, birthright citizenship exists and has existed ever since the 14th amendment was adopted. We have 400,000 anchor babies born each year to illegal alien parents. These anchor babies are treated just like every other US citizen and have the same rights and privileges, including a US passport upon demonstrating they were born here. The only exception is childred born to accredited diplomats to the US.
If a decision ever does come before SCOTUS, current law and practice for more than 100 years will have an impact on any ruling. IMO, if Obama was born in the US, he is a US citizen.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:52:28 AM PST
by
kabar
To: ZekeNY
I agree with you. Howver if Obama was born overseas, it is an entirely different matter.
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:53:31 AM PST
by
kabar
To: Roccus
“Perhaps the fact that the state of Hawaii itself does not always recognize the short form COLB to be proof of birth location? Somewhere along this long, torturous epic it has been stated that in order to qualify for some sort of “homestead” status in HI, the short form COLB is insuffecient. If it (COLB) is not good enough for Hawaii, then how can it be for the NJ SoS or SCOTUS? “
Those are all good questions, but if Donofrio is not contending such concerns in his case, then how would they ever be brought up in court?
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posted on
12/04/2008 5:53:38 AM PST
by
motoman
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