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To: mplsconservative

A passport can be used to prove citizenship, in the absence of a birth certificate, affidavits from older relatives, church records, contemporary census data, post-natal medical records....

Lots of things have been used in the courts and in making policy. There is lots of precedent.

There is no precendent, particularly in using a challenge to citizenship to overturn the results of a completed election.


140 posted on 12/02/2008 8:54:37 PM PST by awake-n-angry
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To: awake-n-angry

Maybe it’s because nobody knows this guy from childhood and he is from Kenya? Just a guess


143 posted on 12/02/2008 8:57:19 PM PST by eyedigress (All I want for Christmas is a nice blue barrel rifle.)
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To: awake-n-angry
There is no precendent, particularly in using a challenge to citizenship to overturn the results of a completed election.

Lack of precedent only means it hasn't been done before. Not having been done before is not a reason to not pursue it now.

Maybe it's time establish the precedent for the future.

-PJ

150 posted on 12/02/2008 9:03:37 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: awake-n-angry
None of things you listed prove that one is a natural born citizen of the United States.

That is the key issue you seem to be missing and is required by our Constitution.

Heck, if you want affidavits from older relatives, shall we rely on his step-grandmother who says he was born in Kenya?

153 posted on 12/02/2008 9:04:36 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: awake-n-angry; mplsconservative

Awake-n-angry,

I’m afraid you are making the freshman mistake of equating *citizenship* with *eligiblity to serve as President.*

Yes, there is substantial precedent on when one is a citizen. There is much less specifically addressing the issue of what constitutes “natural born citizenship,” i.e., the circumstances in which one obtains the type of citizenship status that makes one eligible to serve as President.

Since “natural born” uses the word “born,” it would be easy to think it simply refers to *where* one was born. But it’s not clear that the law is that easy. It may be that a citizen can be “natural born” by descent (that is, receiving citizenship from his parents, regardless of birthplace), as *arguably* McCain did.

This is not necessarily an open-and-shut question. It depends on the facts, first, and those do not seem to be nailed down yet. There is still controversy, for example, over how Hawaii’s laws on recording births operated in 1961.

Bottom line: a passport, your example, may prove citizenship, but it doesn’t prove “natural born citizenship” status.


265 posted on 12/02/2008 10:21:17 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: awake-n-angry
affidavits from older relatives

Like his granny who says he was born in Kenya? LOL

479 posted on 12/03/2008 12:41:16 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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