[ScottinVA]

Well.. when they see politicians stealing elections; their sports idols cheat by taking performance-enhancing drugs; parents cheat on each other — it’s all reflective of society in general. What do we expect???

[goldstategop]

Right. And we're shocked by our children not being any better than we are. We've done a poor job on character education and leading by example.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus