Posted on 11/30/2008 2:59:10 PM PST by lewisglad
The formula necessary for that to happen in every success we have ever had is to lift up a candidate who embraces and excites all three pillars of Conservatism. Fame is fleeting. Critics charge, and Conservatives vote according to the RECORD.
That is why I asked for defense based upon on the RECORD, please. This is a tried and true test.
I am interested in her ability to simply embrace the three pillars of Conservatism, and yes, this is the first problem:
As a Social Conservative, she has wonderful credentials, she is undoubtedly Pro-Life, but does not believe in a Constitutional protection of Life. That is a HUGE problem.
If you'd care to reflect upon that, and ask yourself honestly if you really want to ask the Christian Right to back away from their single, most strongly defended principle, and do you expect them to cede that ground?
Stop "feeling" for a minute and analyze the impact of that upon turnout, MSM leverage, primary leverage by a spoiler, and etc.
Conservatism, as everyone here should plainly know, is about standing upon solid, unshakable, timeless, principles. Conservatives do *not* give them up, for anyone, or for any reason. Do not assume they will do so for Sarah Palin.
As someone on the fringe of this unfortunate circumstance, I heartily associate myself with these remarks. It was distasteful to the extreme. As for me, I handled it by basically telling the guy to leave me alone. I guess I don't have the patience for this kind of nonsense as 'mick' and 'GipperGal' but they should be able to engage the topic if they choose without the insults.
You are living in your own head, Palin is a superstar to the prolife movement. Those endorsements weren’t polite “we endorse the ticket” pronouncements, the pro life movement and those spokespeople are ecstatic over Governor Palin.
The Christian Right loves Sarah Palin so go look at your own “opinions”.
I used to be a staunch Republican. I have been let down so many times by the GOP that if it were a car, I'd set it on fire and push it over a cliff.
It is run by big money RINOs that only care about conservative ideas during election campaigns. The rest of the time, they don't give a crap what the grassroots conservative base thinks, just send them money. I am done with them.
I probably won't find a "better" team, but at least I'll be able to look at myself in the mirror every morning.
No, I am not. I am still in communication regionally in Pro-Life matters, in a Conservative, Evangelical Protestant based inter-organizational way, and fairly aware of norms in other regional areas by way of friendships maintained from when I could be more active...
The communications I receive suggest that leadership, desperate to have a say in the election, is a different thing than the grassroots, as is obvious in this election. Evangelical support was poor, to say the least. "Back-channel" excitement was nonexistent. Perhaps there was more support in more moderate circles, that could be, but I am not simply "living in my own head".
It is through those same avenues that I develop my opinion about the actual Pro-Life movement and about SP. Those I know personally, within my various spheres of community will not back up on the issue of Constitutional protection of Life, and will not support SP because of it. Their opinion is the aggregated opinion of millions.
Constitutional Protection of Life is the official stance of the Pro-Life movement, it is the official stance of the Republican Party, and it should be supported by Conservatives.
I would submit to you that this is the same "superstar" appeal that was supposed to bring a Fred Thompson administration- "Electability" by virtue of fame. But fame is fleeting. It is the record that stands.
If you would care to discuss the record, forge ahead. Otherwise, have a nice day.
The truth.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2140364/posts
If those are the choices, I’ll take Sara/Jindal 2012. Nothing against Mitt but too many of my fellow socons have issues with his faith, too many financial conservatives have issues with the job he did as governor.
Maybe he could be Secretary of the Treasury or something.
“I wish some of the political neophytes around here were more familiar with Reagan’s 11th Commandment.”
Did Reagan follow his own commandment in in the primaries of ‘76 or ‘80?
“I would submit to you that this is the same “superstar” appeal that was supposed to bring a Fred Thompson administration- “Electability” by virtue of fame. But fame is fleeting.”
Yeah the world famous Governor Palin that most of America outside of Alaska and the prolife movement first heard about 94 days ago.
Good luck with your efforts whatever they are, I’m still not clear on that, when you disagree with the prolife movement then you are on your own.
nah. they just send me money directly from the paychecks of all those people that discriminate based on case.
case redistribution is the 0bama plan.
I don’t care whether it’s a man or a woman, but we need Reagan’s determination to downsize the federal government by about 80%.
Then who will? Who is this Reaganite you’re talking about?
I never considered him sophisticated enough for such a thing.
Too many in the party hate Romney. And he has too much Wall Street to win over voters in a recession.
Too many outside of the party laugh at Palin or despise or pity her. Those late night comedians still have a lot of power in the country.
And Jindal still seems pretty slight. It may be hard to convince people he's not Dinesh or Ramesh or Jonah or some other "girly man."
This paper examines the growth of government during this century as a result of giving women the right to vote. Using cross-sectional time-series data for 1870 to 1940, we examine state government expenditures and revenue as well as voting by U.S. House and Senate state delegations and the passage of a wide range of different state laws. Suffrage coincided with immediate increases in state government expenditures and revenue and more liberal voting patterns for federal representatives, and these effects continued growing over time as more women took advantage of the franchise. Contrary to many recent suggestions, the gender gap is not something that has arisen since the 1970s, and it helps explain why American government started growing when it did.
Precisely my point.
Ping for Gov Palin.
If I was her advisor, I would have told her to say “Don’t ask me about political trivia, ask me about what my policy is, what my philosophy is, what my priorities are for governing,
if you want to know who is president of Georgia, use Google.”
However I am certain she will have plenty of time before 2012 campaign to bone up on national & International geo-politics.
Take your pick. Any one will do. If you want a good template, look to Duncan Hunter. Or Keyes. Or maybe DeMint.
The facts on that are undeniable, the 19th amendment doomed us, Switzerland has been on the same path since 1972, but you can’t undo it, you have to work with what we have and try to delay the collapse for as many generations as possible.
What is done is done and like a general you have to work within the reality and the time that you live in.
Thanks for the info; also the YouTubes. Quite enlightening.
Somehow, I missed a lot of campaign talk at that time. After so many political speeches, guess I turned off when I should have turned the TV back on.
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