[wintertime]

I did not say that term limits would utterly and completely eliminate machine politics. I said it would **retard** machine politics. Big difference there.

By the way, corruption and gerrymandering can only be prevented when we have a population that is basically honest and composed of people of good will. Our entire experiment in self rule is entirely dependent on having a population of morally upright and righteous people. It is impossible to right laws tight enough to corral a corrupt people.

So?...Perhaps we should start there? It is time for massive evangelism in my opinion.

[trek]

" By the way, corruption and gerrymandering can only be prevented when we have a population that is basically honest and composed of people of good will. Our entire experiment in self rule is entirely dependent on having a population of morally upright and righteous people. It is impossible to right laws tight enough to corral a corrupt people.

So?...Perhaps we should start there? It is time for massive evangelism in my opinion."

On this we are in complete agreement.