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"It is called civilization not God. You can find such behavior throughout the history of mankind - often in the name of God. As humans climb Masslow's Hierarchy of Needs they tend to avoid such behavior as part of enlightened self interest."

So civilization is your God - your supreme moral force. Woopee. So the Nazi opinion of what was right (a sick but somewhat rational (darwinist) world view) was only right until superseded by an opinion with more force.

What makes us right and them wrong? We won. Absolutely no other reason. Because we are back to the basic premise. No God - no supreme law - right and wrong are opinions - and all behavior is equally valid.

Please articulate to me how one value is better than another when there is no supreme law. All you can tell me is your opinion. You could argue that this is better or that is advantageous. When the definition of better or advantageous is merely your opinion - it means nothing.

Nothing.

I restate - in a Godless universe all behavior is equally valid - or rather - equally meaningless. I guess I'm back to raping you and eating your liver.

Masslow’s Hierarchy of Needs - the realization at each stage of accomplishment that there still exists an inner emptiness that has not yet been filled. It is really hard on celebrities who gain “everything” and sickeningly realize they still have nothing.

Tend to avoid what behavior? The strong overcoming the weak? Bullshit. What is “enlightened” self interest? Your worthless opinion.

That empty hole in your center - that is God missing from your life. Your blind and staggering climb toward perfection - your realization this world is fallen. You think you can become God and be whole and perfect? Will man some day become perfect? By your definition or Achmeds?

Funny thing about self interest - opinions vary. Please explain to me why I should not rape people.

"It is called civilization not God". Define civilization.