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To: roamer_1
Without supporting the mainstream Pro-Life position, which she does not, she will not bring home the Christian Right. Any other thing she may be to the Judeo-Christian community pales in comparison to this sole, non-negotiable issue. They have never compromised here, and they never will. There are other things, but this one is the non-starter.

Okay, this is my first indication that you're out of your f***ing mind! HOW DOES SHE NOT GET THE PRO-LIFE VOTE?!!! She has the strongest and most solid pro-life credentials of any national politician we have ever seen!!!! She doesn't support abortion at all period. As I noted in an earlier post, she is against abortion even in the case of rape and incest. She is against stem cell research. She is against assisted suicide. She is as 100% Pro-Life. To deny this is a clear indication that you are delusional. She has lived her pro-life values more so than any politician we have ever seen. Your words are not only false, they are offensive!

I already answered you on fiscal conservative questions and told you to listen to her discuss her record herself. She actually cut spending and reined in the growth of government. That is a fact.

Even her critics can't tar her fiscal record. I read this in an article supposedly showing Palin’s “spotty record” on fiscal conservatism:

Until a few years ago, the state government struggled financially for years because of low oil prices. But that’s all changed. In the first two budget years under Palin, the state government has stashed almost $6 billion of surplus revenues in various reserve and savings accounts in anticipation of future drops in the price of oil. And the state has allocated another $4 billion over two years for a laundry list of new capital projects, mostly small grants initiated in budget requests by legislators for their districts.
Please explain how saving for the future is not fiscally conservative? She did use some of the surplus to:

...to reduce the state’s unfunded pension liability, increase education funding, establish a revenue-sharing fund for local governments [GG note: Palin's revenue-sharing is one of the best fiscal conservative efforts I've ever seen -- actually returning revenue to local government closest to the people to allow them to use it most effectively instead of distant bureaucrats doling it out in a one size fits all manner], and help residents with home weatherization and energy costs. Alaska has also suspended for a year its 8-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline...

“There’s huge pressure to do all these things because we have this revenue,” said Karen J. Rehfeld, director of the governor’s Office of Management and Budget. “But the governor is still trying to stick to her goals; she still wants to slow the growth of government and be efficient... She’s been very consistent about that.”

A challenge, Rehfeld said, is to balance spending controls against “providing some of the significant infrastructure needed for this state. We’re still a young state and a lot of work needs to be done.”

There’s a reason why Alaska is not included in those think tank studies of which governor is more fiscally conservative. They always exclude Alaska because the state’s financial set up is so different from the rest of the states. They’re like an Arctic oil fiefdom up there. It’s difficult to make correlations between what Palin did up there and what we have on a federal level. But from what we can tell, she made prudent even-handed decisions considering that the state was scaling back on its federal pork requests, was still in need of the sort of infrastructure and other funding requirements expected of a young state, and was also experiencing record oil revenue profits with the expectation that these finite oil resources are rapidly depleting and the state must get the best price for its treasure while the treasure is still there.

(BTW, Palin is opposed to additional bailouts, and didn't really like the first one.)

Your argument about Defense Conservatism is utter nonsense. Do you realize that Reagan never saw combat? He spent World War II making training movies in Hollywood! Do you realize that Margaret Thatcher never wore a uniform? Or are you just a misogynist and think that women can't be strong commanders in chief? In that case, as Sarah would say, "let's just escort this Neanderthal back to the cave."

238 posted on 11/28/2008 9:19:31 PM PST by GipperGal
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To: GipperGal
Okay, this is my first indication that you're out of your f***ing mind! HOW DOES SHE NOT GET THE PRO-LIFE VOTE?!!! [...] Your words are not only false, they are offensive!

This is *not* the Pro-Life standard:

Constitution does offer an inherent right to privacy

Q: Do you think there's an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution?

A: I do. Yeah, I do.

Q: The cornerstone of Roe v. Wade.

A: I do. And I believe that individual states can best handle what the people within the different constituencies in the 50 states would like to see their will ushered in an issue like that.

Source: 2008 CBS News presidential interview with Katie Couric Oct 1, 2008

Abortion should be states' issue, not federal mandate

Q: Why is Roe v. Wade a bad decision?

A: I think it should be a states' issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I'm, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, it's no secret that I'm pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that's what I would like to see further embraced by America.

Source: 2008 CBS News presidential interview with Katie Couric Oct 1, 2008

OnTheIssues.org: Sarah Palin on Abortion

Can you tell me what the real Pro-Life position is?

I already answered you on fiscal conservative questions and told you to listen to her discuss her record herself.

So you are O.K with a 28% increase in the state budget in one year. That is fiscal conservatism to you, huh? And that it comes from an exorbitant windfall profit tax- Something that any Conservative of any stripe has been *dead_set_against* for as long as I have been alive... That doesn't bother you in the least, eh? Does it bother you that it was made retroactive, or is that O.K too?

I wonder what will happen next summer when the margins go up and the oil companies shut down their operations on state lands and ramp up their operations on federal lands... I wonder how the AK budget will be effected by that (because that is precisely what they are going to do). I wonder what she paid in good will for that one-time big money grab...

Please explain how saving for the future is not fiscally conservative?

Please explain how a 28% increase is fiscally conservative, and how corporate windfall profit taxes are conservative in any way, and we can go forward from there. The unmitigated hypocrisy it takes to sweep these two glaring errors under the rug, especially when campaigning nationally against them both, it just boggles the mind. It is indefensible, and to the FICONS (not to mention libertarians), I guarantee, it will be a very tough pill to swallow.

[...] finite oil resources are rapidly depleting and the state must get the best price for its treasure while the treasure is still there.

Poppycock. They are sitting on more oil than Saudi Arabia. Look up Seal Island some time. And that is just one of many. Their north shore is huge in oil reserves as well.

(BTW, Palin is opposed to additional bailouts, and didn't really like the first one.)

Will the real Sarah Palin please stand up? Which one is it?

Your argument about Defense Conservatism is utter nonsense.

Do you mean to tell me that... lets say Gen Petraeus ran for President... Do you really think the DEFCONS would flock to Palin over him in the primaries? Not for all the lipstick in the world. Not a chance in hell. She cannot offer them what he can. That is not to talk her down, it is just a bare fact. They respect their own.

What that means, though, is that Palin would not win, and neither would Petraeus- Conservatives split and spoiled, and a RINO cruises into the winner's circle. That is the inherent danger that I seek to prevent.

240 posted on 11/29/2008 12:38:31 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: GipperGal
Okay, this is my first indication that you're out of your f***ing mind! HOW DOES SHE NOT GET THE PRO-LIFE VOTE?!!! She has the strongest and most solid pro-life credentials of any national politician we have ever seen!!!!

Baloney. Palin has taken the John McCain, Ron Paul, Fred Thompson, Gerald R. Ford position on abortion, not the Reagan position which is STILL expressed in the Republican platform, which recognizes the personhood of the unborn and their protection by the Fourteenth Amendment. She, unfortunately, thinks that states' rights trump the unalienable right to life. This is not a pro-life stance. It's pro-choice.

She's also a judicial supremacist.

These two core misunderstandings about what ails our nation are fundamental disqualifiers.

241 posted on 11/29/2008 6:21:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance (AIPNEWS.com - America's Independent Party: "Peace through superior firepower!")
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