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Clinton Sec. of State appointment violates Constitution
America's Independent Party ^ | November 25, 2008 | Daniel McClain

Posted on 11/25/2008 3:13:00 PM PST by Steve Schulin

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To: USMA '71
If this is in fact a real issue for Hillary, I believe the same would apply to Biden as VP since the VP salary was also increased at the same time Cabinet salaries were increased.

I disagree. Biden was elected, not appointed.

As for Hillary... If she resigned before being appointed, then she is not a senator anymore, and the prohibition would not apply. But I think she would have to resign before the formal nomination was made.

41 posted on 11/25/2008 4:36:07 PM PST by StonyMan451
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To: explodingspleen
She has to take a paycut in order to be appointed. Them’s the rules. It’s pretty clearcut.

If she is prohibited because of this clause in the constitution, then taking a pay cut wouldn't make it OK. The emoluments will still have been increased. It would not be in her power to lower the salary to get around this prohibition.

42 posted on 11/25/2008 4:39:26 PM PST by StonyMan451
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To: Dimples

Seems like “the term for which he was elected” is pretty easy to understand. You can’t just opt out by resigning.

But in the end, does it really matter? Has the US Constitution really driven much of anything of late?


43 posted on 11/25/2008 4:40:39 PM PST by Lucas the Private Eye
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To: AbeLincoln
As for Hillary... If she resigned before being appointed, then she is not a senator anymore, and the prohibition would not apply. But I think she would have to resign before the formal nomination was made.

I would say that Clinton would have had to resign before the pay for SoS was increased. Resigning before being appointed does nothing to address the fact that she was in the Senate when the pay was raised, making her ineligible for the position until her term length passes.

-PJ

44 posted on 11/25/2008 4:49:11 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Steve Schulin
No Senator or Representative shall, during the time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the United States, which shall have been created,...

The SoS position wasn't "created" between 2001 and the present time. Therefore, the Beast can serve as SoS.

Besides, Nixon appointed Ford as Veep while Ford was still a House member.

45 posted on 11/25/2008 4:55:52 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: rfp1234

The issue has come up before though. Orrin Hatch had been considered for the SCOTUS some years ago. The Congress would have had to pass special legislation to reduce the salary of that one seat.


46 posted on 11/25/2008 4:58:25 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: rfp1234
Don't forget the second proscription of the clause:

... or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time ...

It is the pay increase (regardless of who authorized it) that disqualifies any sitting Senator or Representative from Cabinet (or other civil office) appointments.

The Nixon/Ford example wouldn't apply unless the pay (or other benefits) of the Office of the Vice President were increased. I don't know if they were ... but I'm betting they were not.

47 posted on 11/25/2008 5:36:14 PM PST by Dimples
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To: Lucas the Private Eye
It only matters if you (we) care to make it matter. And yes, though under attack on many fronts, the Constitution is still the governing authority of the US of A. Its erosion can be traced to precisely the attitude your question implies: "Why bother?"

In the end, it does matter. Win or lose, not asking the question, or not engaging in the debate makes the outcome assured: you'll lose every time!

48 posted on 11/25/2008 5:42:59 PM PST by Dimples
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To: Dimples
It would be easier for a House member, since their terms are only two years long. Ford was about 11 months into his term when he was confirmed to VP in December 1973. That doesn't leave much time to raise the pay for an office and still be ineligible for it.

That would mean that Senators have the worst it, with 6-year terms to outlast. I guess the lesson is, if you aspire to be appointed to a Cabinet position, don't be in the Senate first.

An opposition outgoing President could take advantage of this in the future by raising the pay of Cabinet positions by $1, thereby disqualifying opposing party Senators for consideration by an incoming President for up to 6 years. A really mean President can wreak havoc, since Congressional terms begin on Jan 3, and Presidential terms begin on Jan 20. Theoretically, an outgoing President could use Executive Order to raise the pay of Cabinet members by $1 on Jan 4, making any Congressmen chosen by the incoming President-Elect suddenly disqualified for the position, since they aren't officially nominated or confirmed until after the new President takes office.

-PJ

49 posted on 11/25/2008 7:01:14 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: AbeLincoln
It would not be in her power to lower the salary to get around this prohibition.

No but it would be within the power of the same Senate which will have to approve her appointment to the cabinet.

I can't imagine why they would be willing to confirm her but not to revert the emoluments of the position.

50 posted on 11/25/2008 7:16:36 PM PST by explodingspleen
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To: Steve Schulin; Tublecane

I am waiting for the MSM to demand a coronation and drop the title of president for Obambi.


51 posted on 11/26/2008 8:17:30 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Steve Schulin

“I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that Constitution, the U.S. Constitution. I never told anybody to adhere to it, not a single time; never. ...”


52 posted on 11/26/2008 8:21:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proud author of abstract semi-religious dogmatic hoooey with a decidedly fring feel.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

First, you have to actually care about the constitution.

Second...........


53 posted on 11/26/2008 8:23:34 AM PST by Terry Mross ( It's just a matter of time before we're all 'GUILTY' of hate speech.)
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