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To: tpanther
So how does a single thing you said indicate he injected religion into science?

He does not stop with the statement of fact that we do not know the details of chemical evolution. He proceeds to state that no such history can exist without intervention.

There is no time or place in the history of science where the assumption of divine intervention has been necessary or fruitful. Newton speculated that divine intervention was required to keep planetary orbits stable, and newton was wrong.

The coy reference to an unspecified Designer is bogus. If life cannot occur through unassisted chemical evolution, than supernatural intervention is indicated. You know this and everyone in the ID movement knows this.

The claim that natural explanations cannot be found for a phenomenon is a mind killer. Teaching this to children is criminal. It shuts down curiosity and shuts down the desire to learn how things work. No on who does science would recommend telling children that a problem is unsolvable.

217 posted on 11/25/2008 6:35:27 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
He does not stop with the statement of fact that we do not know the details of chemical evolution. He proceeds to state that no such history can exist without intervention.

That's because that would be a TRUE observational statement.

Until you can concoct an experiment showing us otherwise, it will remain true.

The claim that natural explanations cannot be found for a phenomenon is a mind killer. Teaching this to children is criminal. It shuts down curiosity and shuts down the desire to learn how things work. No on who does science would recommend telling children that a problem is unsolvable.

The mind killer is the preposterous notion that "natural explanations" are inherently and by definition godless. Children are taught about God in every facet of their lives, imagine all the children confused and turned off to science by boobs demanding God be left at the front door of school or "there's no place for Him in my classroom".

221 posted on 11/25/2008 7:00:08 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: js1138; tpanther; MrB
The claim that natural explanations cannot be found for a phenomenon is a mind killer.

No more that the *Wet Paint Do Not Touch* sign stifles a child's natural curiosity about the world around them.

For many people, telling them that something can't be done is just the motivation they need to go out and prove that it can.

It never ceases to amaze me, the weak arguments used to try to convince someone that teaching creation will stifle the desire to learn and result in the elimination of all natural curiosity.

It's as bad as the argument the if we say that *Goddidit* everyone just throws their hands up and gives up.

What a fallacy. It's too bad the evo side doesn't think that they can't win an argument without misrepresenting the creationist side or the consequences of teaching creation.

228 posted on 11/25/2008 9:59:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: js1138; tpanther; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Fichori; editor-surveyor; Arthur Wildfire! March; ...
There is no time or place in the history of science where the assumption of divine intervention has been necessary or fruitful.

Wrong. It was the belief in the Divine that brought Newton to the conclusion that the universe was indeed orderly and that patterns could be found through observation.

The claim that natural explanations cannot be found for a phenomenon is a mind killer. Teaching this to children is criminal.

So, you'd add that to criminalizing the teaching of creation in schools?

And after criminalizing all this behavior, evos wonder why people object to their efforts and don't buy the *It's all about just teaching science in science class.*?

People are not nearly as blind to evoatheist tactics, nor as stupid, as you think.

229 posted on 11/25/2008 10:06:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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