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Defining Natural-Born Citizen (Does it matter where Obama was born?)
Federalist ^ | Nov 18, 2008 | P.A. Madison

Posted on 11/23/2008 8:06:10 PM PST by fightinJAG

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To: fightinJAG
I’m a complete skeptic on the Obama angle....

I'm not sure what I think; on the one hand, I can't see how he could get this far and not be eligible, on the other hand, I think it's possible.

I'm wondering what makes you skeptical. Not a challenge, just wondering.

41 posted on 11/23/2008 8:47:31 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: Doug TX

The point of this article is that, assuming Obama I was Obama II’s father, then the only information that is necessary to find that Obama is not a natural born citizen is already known and stated by Obama: his father was not an American citizen.

However, if Obama tried to defend against this argument by saying that Obama I was not actually his father, then it’s likely he’d need to produce the BC to put some other fact in evidence.


42 posted on 11/23/2008 8:47:39 PM PST by fightinJAG (TWO BIG BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE AT THE END OF 2008. Happy New Year, love, President Obama)
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To: fightinJAG

....Defining Natural-Born Citizen (Does it matter where Obama was born?)

Not only does it matter where he was born it matters that our President isn’t a blatant FRAUD and LIAR.


43 posted on 11/23/2008 8:47:45 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume, No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: fightinJAG

It is just that simple. Obama held dual citizenship. Relinquishing a foreign citizenship does not instate a natural born status. He might be a citizen, but cannot be a natural born citizen.


44 posted on 11/23/2008 8:48:12 PM PST by so_real
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To: fightinJAG
...the NJ SOS allowed a citizen of Nicarauga on the ballot as a presidential candidate.

SCOTUS, we have a problem

45 posted on 11/23/2008 8:51:04 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: ken21

The Illegal Bast*rd! ZERO HUSSEIN knew he was Illegal the day before he ever dreamed of running! He Lied to and Conned his own supporters and backers and as he said, ‘The Constitution is a Flawed Document!” Who is Zero to call Our Constitution Flawed and Conciously Violate It!
Obama should be tried for Treason!


46 posted on 11/23/2008 8:51:04 PM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: fightinJAG; thesetruths

It’s not like the line of succession would make it to Hillary. Remember, if Biden becomes President due to Obambi being ruled inelligible, then Biden will select his own VP.

Pelosi and Hillary stay where they are. Pelosi only has a chance if Biden is removed as well. Hillary only has a chance if Obambi, Biden and Pelosi are all taken out in one fell swoop.


47 posted on 11/23/2008 8:51:37 PM PST by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: fightinJAG

I think that point falls into law of a parent not living here above age of 16 for five years. Alot of prickles would go up if we started arguing based solely on the FATHER. Let’s leave it at “one parent” and we won’t have a feminist fight on our hands as well as a racial one.


48 posted on 11/23/2008 8:52:23 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: fightinJAG; All
Are you aware of any lawsuits that have made this argument?

No, I haven't researched that yet. I saw the reference on Phil Berg's page and then found the exact wording on one of the US Govt. websites.

49 posted on 11/23/2008 8:53:59 PM PST by CaraM (Faithless is he who quits when the road darkens.)
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To: fightinJAG
Just making sure I wasn’t misunderstood to say this didn’t matter, when what I really meant was the place of birth might not be relevant because Obama fails the “natural born” test anyway.

Well that will be left up to the Justices on the SCOTUS who will review the case on December 5th and to Chief Justice Roberts who will have the responsibility to deliver the Oath of Office the new President on January 20th.

If Obama is not qualified to be President, I am sure that Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, Justice Scalia and Justice Kennedy will uphold their own oath to the Constitution and not permit Obama to be sworn in to office.

50 posted on 11/23/2008 8:54:06 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: muawiyah
Lord forbid an American baby might be raised in Canada ~

A nightmare for sure.

51 posted on 11/23/2008 8:54:14 PM PST by Stentor (b. July 4, 1776 - d. January 20, 2009 sorely missed.)
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To: CaraM

Bump


52 posted on 11/23/2008 8:54:50 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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To: ckilmer

Critical for Further Digestion!


53 posted on 11/23/2008 8:55:26 PM PST by NOBAMA in 08 ( OBIE HUSSEIN is a Pathetic Puppet of Bill Ayers and Associates!)
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To: fightinJAG

DITTO. Donofrio was on talk radio show and he explained it well and why Berg’s case will fail. Donofrio does not blame the Dems and GOP as much as the Sec of States amongst the states for failing to do their duties.


54 posted on 11/23/2008 8:55:27 PM PST by Fee
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To: Think free or die

If your parents became US citizens and you were born afterwards in the US you are a natural born citizen. Otherwise you are not.


55 posted on 11/23/2008 8:57:55 PM PST by Fee
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To: newstand; All
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Yes!!! That is what all this research is for...so we can get the truth out....and we don't have much time! Thanks to every person who takes the time to spread this and who writes their representatives and even the Supreme Court Justices.

In my opinion, they need to get flooded with calls and mail. I'm so afraid this will be ignored.

56 posted on 11/23/2008 9:01:10 PM PST by CaraM (Faithless is he who quits when the road darkens.)
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To: Fee
Well, that is simple and clear:

If your parents became US citizens and you were born afterwards in the US you are a natural born citizen. Otherwise you are not.

57 posted on 11/23/2008 9:04:09 PM PST by thesetruths
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To: fightinJAG

I’m thinking Emmanuel might be advising him to brazen it out, at least until he’s sworn in (ahem, to uphold and defend the US Consitution) since recent history shows the reluctance of the Senate to actually remove a sitting president, regardless of his actions.
So he has some rough sledding his first year ... Article 2 of the Constitution—yes, I know, for lawyers (even non-Harvard) failing to disclose a constitutional disqualification would be fraud vitiating or causing the rescission of his election, but for everyone else it’s all just aspirational stuff, not binding upon a personage as illustrious as Barack Hussein Obama.


58 posted on 11/23/2008 9:04:31 PM PST by tumblindice (In this school of war called life...)
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To: fightinJAG

http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916


59 posted on 11/23/2008 9:04:37 PM PST by danamco
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To: thesetruths

So far, after much MUCH research, no one can pinpoint an exact agency or office that actually is required to prove eligibility. The FEC does standard, but since McCain-Fiengold, Obama didn’t accept public financing and sidestepped any involvement with the FEC. Heck, they aren’t even auditing the Obama camp to verify funds were legit!! But he did end up doing better not taking public financing, however he avoided scrutiny from apparently the only agency in America that has the authority to vet a candidate.


60 posted on 11/23/2008 9:05:29 PM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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