Defining Natural-Born Citizen (Does it matter where Obama was born?)

Federalist ^ | Nov 18, 2008 | P.A. Madison

[fightinJAG]

[snip]

Rep. Bingham [] said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” This national law does not endow upon any person allegiance through birth alone as was the custom under the old English common law practice but only recognizes citizenship of those born to parents who do not owe allegiance to another nation. In other words, national law prevented the creation of conflicting dual citizenships between other nation’s citizens.

[snip]

What better way to protect the office of the Executive from foreign influence then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised under foreign influences in another country. The risks would be for the child the return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.

Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.

[CaraM]

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth.
(For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required.

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

CONCLUSION:

• Obama’s mother could not have possibly passed on US Citizenship to him in 1961 for the following reason:
• His mother was 18 years old at the time she gave birth.
• She was married to a NON-US Citizen.
• That means she herself needed to have physically lived on U.S. soil for 10 years BEFORE giving birth, five of which must be after age of 14.
• Even if she had lived in Hawaii without interruption before Barack’s birth (and I believe she didn’t), she still did not meet the five year requirement AFTER age 14.

[thesetruths]

Well, this has all been quite the civics lesson!

[fightinJAG]

The Supreme Court is taking up the issue of whether to take up the issue on Dec. 5.

Of course, if they decide to take the case, they have to act faster than usual. They don’t need to necessarily get it done before the EC votes-—in fact, they could go so far as to say the case is not “ripe” until then. But they would likely want to get it decided before the Inauguration.

Under the Constitution, though, if there is an outstanding challenge to the President-elect’s qualifications under consideration by Congress, the Vice President-elect is seated as Acting President until the matter is resolved.

Which I guess would then make Pelosi Acting Vice President until the matter is resolved.

Unfortunately, the statements of the Kenyan Ambassador will not be given much credence. If a Kenyan birth certificate was produced, maybe. That said, it all adds to the “smoke” that could by a longshot mean “fire.”

[Jim Noble]

and later flew to Pakistan which at that time, AMERICANS WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ENTER THE COUNTRY.

Please cite a reference for this.

I have many US citizen friends who were in Pakistan in 1981 doing medical research. As far as I know, there was no time, ever since 1947, that US citizens with visas were not allowed to enter Pakistan.

[fightinJAG]

I have to admit, I’m a complete skeptic on the Obama angle here (although I do find his conduct on this point highly mysterious).

However, as a constitutional lawyer, I find the prospect that the Supreme Court might finally settle this area of the law, well, thrilling. And very helpful to our nation. This type of issue will come up more and more in the future.

[CaraM]

I’m working on a summary email to send out to my whole database. Here is the start of it:

IS OBAMA ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?

One-Page Summary of what is at stake:
http://www.wnd.com/files/Obamatimesad.pdf
This was recently published in the Washington Times.
Good to print out.

10 minute video to lay out the foundation of this crisis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs
This is an interview with Phil Berg where he explains the known facts vs. the unanswered questions. Well worth watching!

Here is an online petition you can sign:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
in addition, PLEASE pass on this email or the link to the petition.

Also, you can write your Senator, Representatives, and the Supreme Court Justices. This is too important to be silent or lazy.

Good article here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81307
One Last Chance To Fight for our Constitution
By Janet Porter
Practical Steps on what concerned Citizens can do NOW

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/
High Quality Digital images to show proof that Obama’s Birth Certificate (as posted on Factcheck.Org) is definitely a FORGERY
Researched by Dr. Ron Polarik, PhD

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
Legal information of why Obama is not a natural born citizen even if he was born in Hawaii.

[reagandemocrat]

No Vault copy

No Peace!

[fightinJAG]

I certainly agree with not ignoring any part of the Constitution!

Just making sure I wasn’t misunderstood to say this didn’t matter, when what I really meant was the place of birth might not be relevant because Obama fails the “natural born” test anyway.

Cheers!

[television is just wrong]

obamacrimes.com

Phillip Berg, ESQ the attorney that has taken the writ to the Supreme Court.

I actually heard there are two other cases that have made it there as well. Different states, same topic Obama’s citizenship.

[thesetruths]

always good to clarify, thanks

[fightinJAG]

Yes, it’s gotten me thinking about some family members who were born abroad.

[Doug TX]

The BC is very important. If the Kenyan is not obama’s father, then the BC will be the first document needed to verify his birth location.

[fightinJAG]

Are you aware of any lawsuits that have made this argument?

[calex59]

Actually, I don't know why people don't read the law. The law states clearly that Bozo is not a natural born citizen if he was born outside of the US. He only has one parent who was a Citizen. The law read, in 1961, that if a person was born outside of the US of one US citizen parent and one non-citizen parent then that person was not a US citizen if the US parent had not resided in the US for 10 years after the age of 14. Bozo's mother was only 18 when he was born, therefore, by law, and the supremes will be aware of this law, he would NOT be a US citizen IF he was born in Kenya(or anywhere else outside of the US. The law was changed later to read 5 years resident in the US after the age or 14, but even then she would not be eligible for her son to be born a US citizen, however the 1961 law prevails in Bozo's case.

The bottom line? He needs to produce a vault copy of his BC post haste, this thing will only grow as time goes by and he commits more and more illegal acts against the citizens of this country.

A man who is not eligible to be President and lies about it can only be up to no good.

[BenLurkin]

bttt

[CaraM]

Here is another part of my mass email:

What should we do now?

PLEASE don’t be passive and let this thing go by without action:

Write a brief, respectful letter in your own words to the representatives in your state.
You can find your Representative here:
http://www.house.gov/house/MemStateSearch.shtml

You can find your Senator here:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

There are currently 17 cases in motion concerning Obama’s Citizenship.
The Berg case, referenced above, is just one of them.
There is another case with a Plaintiff named Leo Donofrio. (see additional information below.)

If the public (and that means you and I) does not show their concern, all these cases may be crushed.

Here are some websites with additional information:
http://www.outragedpatriots.com/

Explanation of the Legal Issues:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

US Supreme Court to hear the Leo Donofrio case on 5 Dec. 2008.
Please WRITE the Supreme Court Justices BEFORE that date!!
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81484

[newstand]

Hello,
Requesting permission to share the whole post. I've got so many bits in places. Would like to post to other sites and private e-mails. Thanks

I'll post some more stuff later good references also.

[fightinJAG]

Some good lawyers need to be writing various amici briefs NOW, just in case SCOTUS takes this case and fasttracks it.

The Donofrio case has some nice hooks in it on which the SCOTUS could, possibly, hang their hat and grant cert. For one thing, the NJ SOS allowed a citizen of Nicarauga on the ballot as a presidential candidate. Hello.

[NOBAMA in 08]

based on this Case, ZERO has Absolutely No Legal basis to Hold the Office of The President of The United States!

and He and all of his Colluding Thugs have known this since Day ONE!!They should all be tried for Treason and Fraudand sent to Club GITMO for the rest of their Natural Days:-(

[fightinJAG]

My bad for using the word “matter.”