Posted on 11/19/2008 7:37:17 PM PST by GOP_Lady
Mitt Romney Takes on Detroit
By Garance Franke-Ruta
The race for 2012 is already on in the Republican Party, and today failed 2008 contender Mitt Romney appeared to take a stand sure to complicate any future presidential bid. In an op-ed bluntly titled, "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," the former Massachusetts governor argued against the automobile salaries and pension systems that have for decades helped define the good life in industrial Michigan, where Romney won the GOP primary this winter and where his father was once governor.
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Romney and every member of his family for generations have avoided service. He is a RINO. A puke. But that is just my opinion.
Palin isn’t a conservative, sheYou are seriously deluded. Pro-life, pro-defense, pro-RTKBA, pro energy independence and anti-corruption. My kinda conservative.
restornu is simply deluded. Help debunk the nonsense posted by restornu, gently if you can.
You are the one deluded narses
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They knew she didn’t have the qualifications. I had to talk people into voting for McCain by informing them how bad Obama was. Palin didn’t help McCain at all. ~ rodeo-mamma
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It is sad but you really are off base here and it is unbecomming of you to harbor this misguided roomers.~restornu
Palin is qualified, your attacks are deluded. It is that simple.
(What? are you saying b9 show(ed) or shows up at Summer Planned Parenthood fundraisers...like Romney did in '92? That b9's spouse gave a $150 check to Planned Parenthood...like Romney's wife did in '92? That b9 answered several (three) pro-abortion organizational surveys in a pro-abortion way...like Romney did in '02?)
Etc, etc. etc.
You gotta be kidding me. Palin’s the reason Obmama is president-elect?
When did Palin praise Hillary? Link please.
“What really are her qualifications?”
Take a look at her record as Mayor and Governor. I’m sure you could find her qualifications there. And, if you compared her to Obama, Biden, and McCain you’d find she’s the only Conservative.
“the male supporters seem to have the hots for Palin, that I get, but that’s not a qualification to being elected President. From the male perspective, I get it, but from the woman’s perspective, what is it, I would like to know, because it really doesn’t make any sense at all.”
Hmmm. You get it from a male perspective? You a homo?
From a female perspective, me, I get her appeal. She’s a self made person career wise, a wife, and mother. Not something I’d want to do for sure as I was content to get my degrees and marry the great guy I married...be able to be a stay at home mom until I had to go back to work. She’s helping this Country in a way I couldn’t dream of doing. She’s living all the Conservative ideals and putting herself out there for ridicule by the MSM and people like you. She’s putting Country First.
So, she’s a nice lookin’ woman. You jealous or something?
Post after post Colofornian, you continue to exposed the enmity you have reeking from your soul towards LDS and the Church.
Look slow one I never attack Palin!
You should appologize but I won’t hold my breath!
I voted for Romney in the Primary. It was either him, McCain, or Huckabee.
Against Obama, I would have voted for McCain regardless, but Palin made it much easier.
Your lies are attacks, deluded attacks. Tell us, you voted Romney right?
You ought not get your history from Hollyweird, Granny.
Like a fish out of water, like a RINO in a conservative Republican lake, Mitt never knew how to stop flipping when it came to the pre-born.
(1): "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review in 2006 says the Concord Monitor(Source: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061210/REPOSITORY/612100304/1217/NEWS98) = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"
(2): 1994 campaign in Massachusetts "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent...and, BTW, "sustain" is the strongest word a Mormon could use to support someone or something--because grassroots LDS are asked to "sustain" each new LDS "prophet"
(3): Fast forward to 2001, when Romney needs to reassure Utah Mormons that...he's not really "pro-choice," after all: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)
(4): But by 2002, guess what? He was pro-abortion again! "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? ...He ensured he went out of his way to fill out three pro-abortion organizations' candidate surveys
(5): In November of '04, he & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" where he links it to stem cell research = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert? )
(6): On May 27 '05, he affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04!
(7): What about his gubernatorial record 2003-2006? Mitt THEN says his actions were ALL “pro-life.” So I assume somewhere in 2005 or so were so pro-life decisions. ("As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life.") = So, then THESE ACTIONS were not only a reversal of his 2002 commitment, but his May 27, 2005 press conference commitment. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine
(8): April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details).
(9): On January 29, 2007 during a visit to South Carolina, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true?
(10): Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering that "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life!
(11): "I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at the 1994 & 2002 campaigns, how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?"
(12): Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = That whatever he was from 1970 when his mom ran as a pro-abortion senator & he sided with her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion inlook or outlook 'cause he didn't ”feel...pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer?
So, by now, you'd think we might be done with the twisty, windy road of Mitt Romney's “sanctity of life” quote track record. But, no, 'cause we gotta look at the very issue that Romney said converted him to a “pro-life” position – embryonic stem cell research. And on that, he took three positions over 5.5 years. He was for it in a June, '02 speech. He supposedly "converted" to the entire pro-life cause over this issue in Nov of '04. By Dec of '07 he was telling Katie Couric that he was pro-choice on parents of such embryos exercising either the choice to give up their surplus embryo(s) for adoption, or to "donate" them to "research" (dissection).
In that Dec 07 interview with Couric, in two back-to-back sentences, he uses the terms "parent" and "adoption" to apply to embryos – which sounds very “pro-life”and commendable....only in the next sentence he uses the following terms without seeing any contradiction:
"parent"
"donate"
"research"
He actually said parents of these adoptable embryos who “donated” them to “research” (dissection) was "acceptable."
Anecdotal. I know quite a few who voted McCain/Palin BECAUSE Palin was on the ticket. Duh.
“Spending all that money on her clothes, they knew she wasn’t qualified, they knew they were marketing her in a manipulative way”
Spending money on clothes? You gotta be kidding me. This is why you don’t like her? Marketing her in a manipulative way? What planet do you live on, what substance are you abusing? LMAO!
“Palin’s success proves absolutely nothing.”
I thought you said Palin didn’t have any success, or any qualifications, in a previous post. So now you’re saying she’s had success as Governor? And that her success, any success she’s achieved, means nothing?
“Palin doesn’t even has a real journalism degree. Can’t people tell the way she talks, she can’t. That should explain everything right there. The lady is a fraud.”
She can’t talk? Is that what you’re saying? Hmmmm. As an “educated” person (for all that means, which is basically NOTHING), I think she talks just fine. Gosh, your projection is so apparent. Get help.
Hey, don't make this a personal attack. The subject of my post was the public policy positions of a candidate for POTUS. I wouldn't say his multiple positions on abortion, the pre-born or embryonic stem cell research has anything to do with him being LDS, would you?
So, Resty, please put aside his faith for now, and just look ONLY at his "walk" beside the pre-born as I pointed out in post #274. (After all, you're the one claiming that he has "walked the walk" (what you said on an earlier post).
Imagine you are out on a stroll. And you see an unguided baby stroller moving along toward rapidly flowing water. And you see Mitt walking alongside of that stroller for a long time...for 15 years in fact. But they round the bend and you never knew what happened to that stroller.
And you wonder.
And only later somebody tells you that the baby in the stroller still has her umbilical chord attached. (In God's eyes a "pre-born"...Even in Mormon eyes, a pre-born baby awaiting a pre-existent spirit to come inhabit)
So, what did that 15-year Romney walk alongside that stroller look like? How was he "guiding" that unguided stroller? Did it roll over the cliff? Did it crash in the waters like MaryJo Kopechne's pre-born baby?
And, like Teddy Kennedy, did he fabricate what his previous positions were?
And just because this pre-born baby wasn't the son or daughter of a politician like Kennedy, isn't there still accountability before our God on how we guide those unguided strollers?
Honey, many were Palin fans, myself included.
For the record, I don’t go for any of this “worship” for any politician or celebrity. I respected Palin, her record and her personal life. I respected McCain’s military service. I didn’t respect anything about Obama/Biden.
Don’t kid yourself thinking moderates didn’t vote for Palin. The ones I know, voted for her!
“He is very articulate too”
And according to you, Palin isn’t articulate. LMAO.
Hey, you got Obama, he’s *articulate* According to you, articulation and speaking well is most important for POTUS.
BTW, you may want to proofread your posts, for spelling, grammar, ARTICULATION...posters may think you aren’t educated or articulate, given it’s so important to you.
Star qualities come across to the public...no amount of marketing, wardrobing, focus groupings, etc., can make someone a leader; a figure that draws other humans to them. No. You either have it...or you don't. Gov. Palin has 'it.' From the first time I saw her (about a year and a half ago...I was one of the early Palin supporters here) I just 'knew' she was special AND qualified (compared to the early media darling Barrack 0bama's resume.) I thought she was perfect back when the popular thought was Hillary would the Democratic candidate (and Gov. Palin rose to the top...IMO...as a pro-life; pro-gun; pro-drilling; Conservative to balance the pansiefied believers of global warming, talk out of both side of their mouths on abortion, lets appease the Gays 'RINOs' that were popping up like weeds on the Republican side. Gov. Palin brought the base. Not McCain 'reaching across that aisle' no the Conservative values that Palin brought 'energized' the Consrvative base.
Now...to your opinion of Gov. Palin 'neglecting' Trig and of course, that wardrobe issue that just did you in...tell us...did you appear in the Ziegler documentary of the Zogby poll wearing a homemade 0bama tee-shirt? Because, honest...the tone of your dissing of Gov. Palin here isn't that far removed from the 0bama teen voter who rolled her eyes and was 'proud' that she knew of the Palin wardrobe funding and the Palin daughter's pregnancy (but didn't know who Reid, Pelosi, or the House leadership were). But you state it was the wardrobe issue that did you in. Wow.
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