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To: Mrs. Don-o

Mrs. Don-o- I don’t find any indication in God’s word that suggests that we ‘attain salvation’ by any of our works- Your ocmment suggests that we are to abide by some ‘degree based salvation’ in other words, there seems to be some set of rules that we must follow, and a set of ‘sin degrees’ that we must avoid- yet the bible clearly makes the point that even the most benign of sins (a bad thought, or a ‘little white lie’ etc) are enough to seperate us from the love of God and bring eternal damnation- Being that we are in a constant state of sin- that we still have hte sin nature, woudl disqualify all of us from reaching Heaven based on a works based salvation. I must go back to my point about Christ doing away with hte old works based salvation system and conquering death once and forall for anyone who accepts his FREE gift.

Charles Stanley is one of hte best writers I think I’ve ever read, and he has a book out called “Eternal Security- and he just has a way of really getting into hte meat of complex biblical issues, and bringing it down to a level that is clear and easy to understand. Here’s a little blurb on his book:

No one who reads Eternal Security can doubt for a moment the writer’s deep conviction that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone. For example, Stanley writes: “Look at that verse [John 3:18] and answer this question: According to Jesus, what must a person do to keep from being judged for sin? Must he stop doing something? Must he promise to stop doing something? Must he have never done something? The answer is so simple that many stumble all over it without ever seeing it. All Jesus requires is that the individual ‘believe in’ Him” (p. 67). It would be hard to put it more plainly than that!. . .

Among the most impressive sections in the book is the chapter entitled, “For Those Who Stop Believing” (chapter 8). Here Stanley clearly says some things which should have often been said before. For example, he writes: “The Bible clearly teaches that God’s love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand” (p. 74).

This is beautifully put. Equally lucid is the striking paragraph: “Faith is simply the way we say yes to God’s free gift of eternal life. Faith and salvation are not one and the same anymore than a gift and the hand that receives it are the same. Salvation or justification or adoption- whatever you wish to call it-stands independently of faith. Consequently, God does not require a constant attitude of faith in order to be saved-only an act of faith” (p. 80). A little later, Stanley also writes: “You and I are not saved because we have an enduring faith. We are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord” (p. 80)...

But just as this author is unmistakably clear in his doctrine of salvation, he is equally clear in another widely neglected area: the doctrine of rewards! Few (if any!) contemporary writers are more insistent on the role that this doctrine should play as a motivation for godly Christian living. This reviewer particularly enjoyed this crisp paragraph: “Does our behavior matter once we are assured of our salvation? You bet it does. Are there any eternal consequences when a believer sins? Absolutely. Will eternity be the same for those who follow Christ faithfully and those who live for themselves? Not a chance” (p. 118). Shortly afterwards he states: “Keep in mind we are not talking about heaven and hell. That is a different issue all together. Our works have nothing to do with where we spend eternity. But they have a lot to do with what we can expect once we get there” (p. 118). The GES reader is urged to study Dr. Stanley’s entire discussion of this subject in chapters 12-14. These chapters are an effective response to the tired old argument that if we are secure, we no longer have reasons for living a godly life...

This book’s message is crisp, clear, and uncompromisingly scriptural. It is precisely such a book as is urgently needed in our day and time...
-Reviewed by Zane C. Hodges

http://www.faithalone.org/news/y1993/93may5.html

I’d also encourage you to take a look at “Why Assurance is So Important - Robert N. Wilkin”

http://www.chafer.edu/journal/back_issues/v4n4-Niem.pdf

He spent 25 years looking into hte issue of salvation security because he, like me, questioned some difficult passages in God’s word that some people try to use as ‘examples of how we can lose salvation’ such as the following verse-

“If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries (Hebrews 10:26–27).

Here is the link to his and other people’s works concerning the assurance of salvation http://www.e-grace.net/assure.html


210 posted on 11/22/2008 8:56:36 AM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop

Thank you.


212 posted on 11/22/2008 11:01:44 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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