Posted on 11/19/2008 9:11:02 AM PST by kellynla
Catholic members of Congress who vote for the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) could face “automatic excommunication” if the act is determined to be “formal cooperation” in the evil of abortion.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...
In Baptism we are forgiven our past sins. It does not forgive our future sins. That’s what repentance is all about. In the Catholic church that would be confession and absolution...
But if you are Baptized yet have no intention of following Christ, even that doesn’t work.
Abortion is MURDER. PERIOD
And the systematic murder of tens of millions of babies for the past 35 years is genocide.
Nothing to “argue!”
Any time it wants. The Constitution protects freedom of speech and belief, doesn't it?
Our founding fathers made seperation of church and state for a very good reason.
Which means what? Did you know that that phrase does not appear in the Constitution? With the First Amendment, the Founders wanted to promote religious freedom while preventing the establishment of a national church, like the Church of England. Period. Did you know that many individual states had established churches at the time of the revolution, and well into the 1800s?
The State couldn’t tell the church what to think or do, and the church couldn’t tell the State what to think or do.
This passes for conventional wisdom because it's what's taught in government schools, but it's unrelated to the Constitution and the historical facts. In practice, the State rightly restricts the extent of some religious practices (i.e., polygamy, human sacrifice), while giving churches wide authority over their members with regard to religious doctrines and practices. This is what the Founders intended.
Finally, the Church is simply exercising its religious disciplinary authority over its own members. Moreover, the Church is not using violence, or the threat of violence, to enforce its teachings. The Church is simply using moral suasion.
What an amazing story. Thank you for calling it to my attention.
That's absolutely false and contrary to Church teaching. Redemption is always a possibility, through the "actual graces" that God may offer.
"Automatic excommunication" differs from "formal excommunication," in that excommunication occurs without a formal, public, act of the Church, that is, a formal pronouncement from a priest or bishop.
Do you think Catholics are idolaters because we pray to Our Blessed Mother Mary for her help?
yea, well I’m getting ready to hand this clown his lunch in about 60 seconds...
he sounds about as Catholic as my cat! LOL
How do you know this? Didn't Christ establish a Church against which the gates of hell would not prevail? If so, then that Church must exist to this day. And if it exists, we must take our disputes "to the Church," as Christ commanded, since, as Christ said, anyone who fails to "listen to the Church" should be treated as a "pagan or tax collector."
As Christians, then, we have a grave obligation to find Christ's Church, and to obey Its teachings. At the very least, we are not permitted to throw up our hands and abandon our search for Christ's Church. A good place to begin a search for the historical Church of Christ would be to study the history of the early Church.
As you know, Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is, in fact, Christ's Church, which is why we are obligated to obey its teachings.
About time! Nancy Pelosi and the other Abortion Rights “Catholics” needed to get booted from the church. It is one thing to quietly dissent, but another to publicly advacate a position diametrically opposed by the church.
The perverse, weak and twisted mind would say "economic" as well as self defense (Life is in direct peril which in today's industrialized medically advance world, becoming increasingly rare).Yes, they would, just as robbers and bandits would make that same argument to justify killing people to take their stuff.
Do you subscribe to this view?No.
When the people doing the doing claim to be Catholics, the church is absolutely right to tell them they will cease to be Catholics in good standing.
That isn't telling "the state" anything. That's telling Catholics what's required of them to be faithful Catholics.
You are welcome. I enjoy engaging the hysterical anti-Catholic bigotry that flies about here; but, alas, I must suspend further discussion and get back to my duties. Debating and debunking Protestant misinformation or disinformation usually proves futile... but I stay the course in Faith, Hope and Charity (Though sometimes, admittedly, I am not so charitable).
I've been reading your posts on this thread and figured I'd see this sooner or later.
I can call myself Queen of England. I can even convince myself that I AM the Queen of England, if I try really hard.
Doesn't make it so.
From what you've posted on this thread, I gather you're Catholic in the same way that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are Catholic.
You can claim to be anything you like, but that only makes it true in your mind. If you want to be taken seriously as a Catholic--and, more importantly, if you want to have a truly faithful relationship with God through the Catholic Church--I suggest you make an appointment to speak with a member of clergy, pronto. Maybe take some RCIA-like classes. Whatever you do, don't blaspheme yourself further by presenting yourself for Communion. By your own admission, you are not in Communion.
How've you been? My youngest has pinkeye, ugh
From what you've posted on this thread, I gather you're Catholic in the same way that Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are Catholic.What is your impression of my position on abortion, and what quotes do you have to back up that impression?
LOL!
“Thus, we can conclude, based on this thesis, that if unborn feti/born persons are an unjust threat to innocent life, it is ethical to kill them?”
“unjust threat?”
Babies are NEVER an “unjust threat!”
Babies and life are gifts from God!
I don’t where the hell you came up with such a “thesis” but it is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! PERIOD.
Ya know what newbie...you’re about as “Catholic” as my cat!
And I suggest you take your ideas elsewhere because they are neither “Catholic” or Christian.
Good day!
The preponderance of evidence is that unborn human feti are human and alive. And that is good enough to treat it as such.
Abortion is MURDER. PERIODKilling born people is MURDER. PERIOD. Same ethical principles apply to killing born people as they do to unborn feti, remember?
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