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To: muawiyah

I read your post very carefully - twice - and while it’s detailed and interesting I’m not satisfied that it answers the question of injecting Protestant Christian beliefs, values, and mores into the GOP and conservative philosophy.

You make a case for direct causality which is theoretical and plausible but not perhaps as strong as you believe, e.g. the circa 1770 - 1786 residents and militias of Boston, Lexington, Concord, Sudbury, and Marlboro weren’t necessarily familiar with the Huguenot experience in France. So their opinions about arms and militias and the quartering of British soldiers were based on their direct observations as American colonists, not as Protestants or readers of the Bible or most certainly not as Huguenot descendants.

One could say that the more you try to affiliate the GOP and conservatism with Protestant Christianity in the manner you’ve posted, the more you might drive away those who have different ideas about God, about religion, about government.

Oh BTW, I know a little bit about the Huguenots, as my first American ancestor was the minister of the Huguenot Church in Boston for many years and also in New Rochelle for a time. I don’t think he or any of his children or grandchildren would agree with your theory, even though the Reveres, the Fanueils, and the Bowdoins were members of the congregation.


188 posted on 11/20/2008 12:13:48 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor
The Founders were all highly educated men who grew up being taught the conflict between the French tyranny and the Huguenots.

The Port of Boston would have been a dreadfully dead place but for Huguenot shipping, and who can forget the Pilgrims? There were several Huguenots among their number.

Paul Revere's father was, in fact, a French Huguenot ~ necessarily a refugee to America. Alexander Hamilton's mother was a Huguenot.

190 posted on 11/20/2008 1:04:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: angkor
The Founders were all highly educated men who grew up being taught the conflict between the French tyranny and the Huguenots.

The Port of Boston would have been a dreadfully dead place but for Huguenot shipping, and who can forget the Pilgrims? There were several Huguenots among their number.

Paul Revere's father was, in fact, a French Huguenot ~ necessarily a refugee to America. Alexander Hamilton's mother was a Huguenot.

191 posted on 11/20/2008 1:05:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: angkor
Regarding weaponry and the Huguenots, as late as the War of 1812 the US government granted letters of marquis, et al, to private individuals to make use of their cannon laden ships to fight the Brits.

The Huguenots in France certainly understood the use of weapons to hold the government at bey, as did their cousins in America (the migration occurred over a 100 year period so there was always an infusion of new wisdom), and Americans themselves viewed firearms as something other than things you used to keep meat on the table and the Indians in their own camps far away.

Louis XIV, himself, was a topic of discussion at dinner tables and wayside inns. Americans knew him well!

The acceptance of firearms as items to be kept and controlled by private individuals is based on concepts pioneered by Protestants in their civil rights battle to gain tolerance from the King of France.

BTW, it's worth noting, Americans had little experience with the practice of quartering troops in private residences ~ the vast overwhelming majority of people lived in rural areas. They did know what Louis XIV was up to.

Just think of Louis as being somewhat like Young Leader (in Korea) or Uday, Saddam's son. We are both fascinated and repelled by tyrants.

193 posted on 11/20/2008 1:33:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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