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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Never heard of “Freon” being used in a fire suppression system. “Halon” I'm familiar with, but it doesn't poison you, it just displaces all of the oxygen and you keel over.
Very bad idea to even install such a system in any area other than an ammunition magazine, or paint storage locker etc.
3 posted on 11/09/2008 4:42:29 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: NavVet

Same thing.

Freon 13B1 is also known as Halon 1301 and is used in fire suppression systems.


5 posted on 11/09/2008 4:46:34 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: NavVet

Don’t the Russians know that freon is banned because it is a greenhouse gas and destroys the ozone! Where are the environazis when you need them...


7 posted on 11/09/2008 4:48:30 AM PST by DB
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To: NavVet

I thought they outlawed Halon because it destroys the O-zone layer?


32 posted on 11/09/2008 5:36:46 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: NavVet

In a fire within a closed area the available oxygen will be consumed rapidly, a release of Halon gas will displace the remaining oxygen in a wave toward the floor while starving the flames.

A good engineer will allow for that factor and not overload the discharge beyond that which will support life (~19%) on accidental triggering.

One would die not from the poisionous amount of refrigerant gas but from asphyxiation, failing that.


60 posted on 11/09/2008 7:34:04 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: NavVet; Doohickey; theDentist; CholeraJoe

Dumping Freon into a fire gives a LOT of very noxious extra fumes,, in addition to displacing O2 like you noted.

Must have been Halon and translated wrong (Though Halon is now prohibited (though a life-saver and a ship saver!) by the enviro’s because of the ozone).

If the Russians were using Freon (rather than Halon or even N2) the designers should be sent to a Siberian gold mine, where their talents are needed.


71 posted on 11/09/2008 7:57:47 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: NavVet
Never heard of “Freon” being used in a fire suppression system. “Halon” I'm familiar with, but it doesn't poison you, it just displaces all of the oxygen and you keel over. Very bad idea to even install such a system in any area other than an ammunition magazine, or paint storage locker etc.

I wish the word Freon would get lost somewhere. Freon is a trade name by DuPont. Refrigerant is a better term. Phosgene {sp} gas is deadly. If it were a fluorocarbon type everyone would have likely died in a sub environment. Phosgene is a chemical reaction of burning Fluorocarbon refrigerants when mixed with certain other chemicals like propane. But even gasoline is actually a refrigerant.

The culprit sounds like Halon to me. Popular on surface ships where you can run to an oxygen source after activation. It's a push the button and you better run type system.

79 posted on 11/09/2008 11:16:26 AM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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