[palmer]

I agree. The most innocent explanation is that they looked at the paper, touched it, photographed it, and said (to themselves and on the website), it exists and looks real. More likely though is that their language is meant to convey a sense that it the certificate is really obvious and the issue is trivial. That could be a facade in front of an ugly truth or it might not be. I agree they also obfuscate the BC and COLB issue.

So far from what I can see, I have to agree on the surface the issue is trivial and obvious. There are eyewitnesses for the original BC in storage. There is sufficient photographic evidence of an official COLB which would require certain tools to forge. Regardless of the junk on Kos and smears, the Factcheck COLB appears to be Hawaiian in origin.

There are only two possibilities considering their presentation, one that they are complicit or at least knowledgeable about an Obama camp forgery and are putting on a show. Or two, they are trying to distract, divide and marginalize the opposition. If the latter, I believe they have succeeded starting with a 6000 post thread here in July.

[TheCipher]

There are eyewitnesses for the original BC in storage.

Except we don't know what country that original BC is from.

Here is what they said from Hawaii:

Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

She did not say original Hawaii birth certificate. Under Hawaii law, he could have applied for a Hawaii birth certificate provided he could show his mother was a resident of Hawaii one year prior to his birth. Part of that process is submitting your original birth certificate. So therefore, in accordance with state policies and procedures , they would have his original birth certificate on record. It does not mean it is a Hawaii birth certificate.