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McCain, there is a time to fight with honor. This is not one of them!
Nov 4, 2008 | paolenz

Posted on 11/04/2008 11:14:27 PM PST by paolenz

McCain probably flunked out or was absent when the OODA loop theory was discussed. How else would you summarize his campaign? He made so many missteps and erroneous judgements befitting not a Senator or for that matter a fighter pilot, but a politician running for the very first time.

I fault the collapse of the McCain campaign at his feet. He can't blame no one, not even his managers. A person that cannot excite the base does not deserve to win the presidency. People were behind you but at every suggestion to attack back, but you did not respond in kind. We were not discouraged and we stood by you hoping that you would listen to your followers.

You had three brilliant opportunities to unmask Obama on your debates, but each time you presented your case to the american voters, you failed miserably. Obama even taunted you to say it in his face but what did you do? You cowered in fear!

I think looking back now to reflect where he lost the election, his biggest mistake is rooted so much of his primordial instincts and insistence to campaign with honor and dignity. What McCain seems to forget is that this is just a battle cry for politicians. McCain should very well know that policians aren't honorable people, especially when re-election comes rolling around.

Had he agreed to the first ad attack using the Jeremiah Wright video expose, he should be the one being celebrated tonight and not Osama Bin Biden.

Enough of your holier than thou attitude! This type of behavior does not win the White House. I think President Bush was right when you campaign against him in 2000. When confronted with an attack, verbal or otherwise, you cower in fear and raise the spectre by effusing dignity as an excuse not to fight back.


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To: paolenz

Crazy Michael Savage said something interesting (if crazy).

He claimed that McCain was psychologically unable to fight back against Obama because he had had that instinct taken out of him when he was tortured by the North Vietnamese. Part of this torture process, apparently, is psychological reconditioning in which you are taught to be passive when under attack.

Sort of like the “retch” reflex that the character of Alex had instilled in him in the movie “A Clockwork Orange.”

It’s a crazy theory by Savage but it explains a lot even we hold it true provisionally. We all saw the crowds of his supporters surrounding McCain — not just angry but practically in tears — “why will you not fight back?” And McCain would simply shrug and say something moronic like “You don’t have to fear an Obama presidency. He’s a very decent person.” Etc. Palin was the ONLY one from Team McCain hitting Hussein with the issues: his radical alliances, his bankrupting of the coal industry, his admitting he was a socialist, etc. I feel so bad for our Sarahcuda. She’s exhausted and must feel awful. She knew the excitement of the crowds when she spoke.

Where was Steve Schmidt in all of this? Wasn’t he supposed to be the new Karl Rove? The brilliant subtle strategist? He seems to have disappeared the past few weeks.

That’s why I asked earlier if perhaps McCain purposely threw the election. Maybe it was just a rhetorical question, but for the life of me, I just cannot figure it out. It’s almost as if he never really wanted the job in the first place.


21 posted on 11/04/2008 11:32:07 PM PST by GoodDay (McCain-Palin '08)
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To: paolenz

McCain never wanted to win


22 posted on 11/04/2008 11:33:04 PM PST by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE and Help Beat Obama)
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To: Azzurri

no more RINOS!!!!!!!!!!


23 posted on 11/04/2008 11:34:15 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: Azzurri

I and a lot of other FReepers opposed Giuliani early but after several months of McCain the advantages of Rudy were obvious. Whenever he spoke, he had much more fight in him. McCain told us to fight. Giuliani fought. Big difference.


24 posted on 11/04/2008 11:34:32 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: PWDirector

I am continually amazed that there is NO ONE in this country who has the cajones to start a truly free, TRULY FREE organ of FREE - yes FREE speech in this country. An outlet of information that is FREE of the corruption of partisan dollars, FREE of the corruption of individual ideology...
With all of the vast wealth exchanging hands... I am quite surprised that no one... no non profit, no for profit, no one will support true FREE SPEECH!


25 posted on 11/04/2008 11:36:50 PM PST by antceecee (McCain ~ Palin '08 May God have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: GoodDay

I feel bad for Sarah too but if it wasn’t for McCain, nobody would have heard of her.


26 posted on 11/04/2008 11:38:35 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: antceecee
Our very lives are at state. The GOP needs to get down and dirty. Conservatism needs to get raw and edgy and give as good as we get. I mean, my lord, Obama is like a walking septic tank of scandals. Pat Buchanan would have carried Massachusetts if we had unloaded everything we could on The One from day one.

McCain is a nice guy, I'm sure, but he is a Bob Dole scale bozo as a candidate. I fought dirtier to get my candidate elected to the student council.

27 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:23 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: rogue yam

yeah we all saw how Rudy fought during the primaries...


28 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:25 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: expatguy

maybe because he’ll do ok no matter what happens.


29 posted on 11/04/2008 11:43:46 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: rogue yam

You bet it’s a big differences.

Come to think of it, in several of her final rallies, Sarahcuda always ended with something like this: “And though he won’t tell you this himself, John McCain is the only one who has every really fought for you!” And I began to notice something in Sarahcuda’s voice and intonation when she said that; something unexpected...a little bit of annoyance. I believe that she began to feel annoyed that she had to do the heavy lifting for both herself AND her running mate. I think she began to notice that he was wearying and giving up the fight, and she may also have grown frustrated herself at his lack of commitment to core conservative economic values. At his rallies, all I ever really heard were cries about “reaching across the aisle” and “bipartisanship.” McCain didn’t realize it, but those statements came across to voters as “Vote for me because I play well with others and share my toys.”


30 posted on 11/04/2008 11:47:55 PM PST by GoodDay (McCain-Palin '08)
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To: paolenz

McCain’s concession speech made me ill. Some deemed it “classy”, but I just thought, “You stupid, effing loser. Yeah, stand there and be the martyr, you effing loser. Kiss Obama’s backside and say bye-bye to the world stage. You’ve always been more willing to attack or disappoint Repubs than you have rats, so take your sorry azz back to AZ and go reach across the aisle on your own dime. Stupid loser. You didn’t have to lose, but you wanted to, and you got what you wanted. It’s too bad you had to take Sarah down with you, never defend her, cause her to drop 25 points in her own state and never fight back for her. Loser. Fool. Prick. I hope your state replaces you in your senate seat with a real man/woman. Don’t even think about running for the senate again. You’ve had your fun, now haul your azz home and STFU. Goodbye.”


31 posted on 11/04/2008 11:48:58 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: rogue yam

I agree. Rudy also has a better personality, which appeals to people. McCain was trying to prove something to himself. I don’t think he cared that much about winning.


32 posted on 11/04/2008 11:51:19 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

LOL! No, no, tell us how you really feel!

(Sigh!) I agree with you, though. I had a victory cigar all clipped and ready to be smoked. I’m saving it for another day.


33 posted on 11/04/2008 11:52:33 PM PST by GoodDay (McCain-Palin '08)
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To: paolenz
Like I said on a previous thread, if Charlie Black is your senior advisor, that's a telltale sign that you are going to lose.

Back in the '96, Michael Reagan said that as soon as he found out that Black was going to be Phil Gramm's campaign advisor, he immediately knew that Gramm had no chance of winning the nomination.

Mike said that the problem with Black is that he runs the campaign as if his guy had already been elected President.

McCain also wound up slitting his own throat when he agreed to the Federal matching funds while Obama refused the public financing. It was like agreeing to bring a knife to a gun fight.

34 posted on 11/04/2008 11:56:07 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: GoodDay

Pour yourself a double and smoke the damn thing anyway, lol.


35 posted on 11/04/2008 11:57:55 PM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Azzurri
I’ll probably get flamed for this, but I think either Giuliani or Romney win this election easily.

I do agree that Rudy or Romney would have carved up Obama in the debates, but in the end it was only 3-4%. If the Wright ads had started running after Obama accepted or just before the convention, we would have won by 10-15%. There was so much opposition research, even in the Corsi and Feddoso books, that just wasnt used. In 2004 the SBVFT started running their ads in April. Anyway the Senate can filibuster anything ridiculous.
36 posted on 11/05/2008 12:01:32 AM PST by igoramus08
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To: Mad_as_heck
I fought dirtier to get my candidate elected to the student council.

Great line.

37 posted on 11/05/2008 12:03:49 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: Jezebelle

McCain never got that it wasn’t about him.


38 posted on 11/05/2008 12:05:16 AM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

Neither did Obama but he still won.


39 posted on 11/05/2008 12:08:14 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: All

Nice guys finish last.


40 posted on 11/05/2008 12:16:59 AM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (It's mourning for America...)
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