Posted on 11/03/2008 11:20:35 AM PST by Sibre Fan
CALL FOR ACTION:
Please, all Fellow FREEPERS, please consider doing the following to prevent this mess of questionable eligibility from ever happening again:
Call your State Senator, your State Representative and your Governor and ask them to provide simple legislation to give the Secretary of State the right, responsibility and obligation to confirm eligibility BEFORE ANYONE can go onto the ballot.
Personally, I think the best way to contact them is by phone during business hours, then a follow up by e-mail or mail to the person you talked to, then a follow-up a week or so later, but you can do what you think is best.
Practically, this would require all future candidates to fill out an application with supporting documentation, which could then be checked out by the Secretary of State’s office.
I don’t know about you, but THIS idea seems a better use of our governments time then providing yet another social program designed to ruin people by not having them be accountable to their families (a basic problem).
If there is an enterprising lawyer or legislator on Free Republic who would like to provide well written sample legislation which could be submitted as a suggestion across the country, it would provide a basis for continuity.
Hope there are many, many people across the country who are willing to do this now, and after the election.
Remember..... 2012 is coming!
Atleast this judge wasnt an asshole like that one in Philly.
I usually vote against judges locally. If they have not done something good that I remember at poll time it is no for them.
bump!
I’m willing to bet this judge is a Democrat and this is a partisan decision.
And he’s an idiot.
So at least this court has seen a valid BC. Case closed.
This seems to be the most detailed ruling. Bump
How about a link to the article, not to the chat forum on Berg’s site.
One MAJOR problem, the Constitution was created to define the form of government for the PEOPLE. Congress does not have standing to determine the eligibility of the President INDEPENDENT of the people. Since the 16th Amendment (if I remember corretly, don’t shoot me here) allowed for direct election of representatives the previous dynamic was forever altered and the people of the country possess the power of direct action upon the government. Further, the Fourteenth Amendment forever altered the Federal state dynamic so that the line of demarcation between state and federal was certainly blurred, if not altogether eradicated (although there is a shell of it upheld at a Federal court’s “discretion” through abstentions).
The reality is there CAN NOT BE A PROVISION OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT CAN NOT HAVE EFFECT. Therefore to suggest no on has standing to bring the action is bogus, no matter how much integrity the judge may have. And to suggest that an individual citizen does not have standing to determine if a “FOREIGN INVADER” is not trying to illegally usurp power through demagoguery and deceit is equally a bunch of trash...
Not sure why you think he’s an idiot.
A certificate of live birth makes BO a citizen. Plus there is an affidavit from someone in Hawaii attesting to this.
This doesn’t answer all questions, such as why BO didn’t just present this before and whether or not there is anything embarrassing on the BC, but it does make him a citizen, whether we like it or not.
Other than getting some legislation to keep this from happening again, I think it sounds like the end of this line.
No, it hasn’t.
You've bought the spin. The officials in HI have stated that they have verified there is a vault copy (original). They have not stated any of the details. There is still question. IIRC, HI has a law on the books that says they'll issue a BC even if not born in HI (place of birth would be noted, however), it has been linked on many threads here. I'll see if I can find it.
The simplest of answers to the most basic of questions. Why won't B.O. release it?
What’s so funny about the State of Hawaii not accepting a COLB for determining who is a “native Hawaiian”? The COLB does not have enough information to determine if someone is a “native Hawaiian”, but apparently the birth certificate does. Obama never claimed to be a “native Hawaiian”.
The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.
I'd like him to not be a valid US citizen as much as any of us but I don't see how this is spin. They have a certificate of live birth in Hawaii from what the court said. I do find it strange that we haven't been shown the real one - in fact it's worse than strange. We the people shouldn't have things like this hidden from us. Shows how much this creep respects us.
I am sorry, you are wrong. A COLB from Hawaii does not make you a citizen. Bozo’s sister has one and everyone knows, without a doubt, she was born in Indonesia. What needs to be seen is the vault copy of a BIRTH CERTIFICATE, not a COLB.
Because the released document suffices as proof that the state of Hawaii acknowledges BHO as a natural-born citizen, and that is enough, failing overriding proof of ineligibility (of which there is none of yet).
Circumstantial evidence of disqualification fails in light of certification of live birth in the USA. "I don't believe it" is not legal proof compelling disqualification. ...and given that, why the he11 would he want to disclose the original BC?
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