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McCain camp questions accuracy of polls
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Posted on 10/30/2008 9:50:54 PM PDT by Chet 99

As the date of the US election grows closer, opinion polls are showing Democratic candidate Barack Obama is still on track to become America's first black president.

Several new opinion polls are released each day - dozens each week.

But Republican nominee John McCain's campaign says its internal figures suggest that the result on election day may be much closer than the independent polls are suggesting.

At each of his campaign rallies, Senator McCain loves to mention that he is behind in the polls but that he is going to fool the pundits and pull off an upset win on election day. It is a line he repeated in an interview with Larry King.

"I know we're still the underdog. We're now two or three or four points down and we've got six days to go to make that up but it's not a matter of worry. You and I have been together long enough, you know, I love the underdog status. I just want to leave that status by the time the polls close," he said.

The opinion polls show that not only is he behind nationally, he is trailing Senator Obama in key battleground states, including those won by President George W Bush in 2004.

But there are so many polls it is hard to know which one to believe.

Karl Rove is a former adviser to Mr Bush, who is credited with orchestrating his two election victories. Even he cannot believe how many opinion polls are being released.

"We're all getting pollitis here. In the first 24 days of October this year, there have been 177 national polls. By comparison in 2004, during the first 24 days of October, there were 55. We've had 300 per cent more polls in 2008," he said.

Senator McCain's lead pollster, Bill McInturff, has released a memo saying that next week's election may easily be too close to call.

He writes "the McCain campaign has made impressive strides over the last weeks of tracking. The campaign is functionally tied across the battleground states, with our numbers improving sharply over the last four tracks".

Functionally tied, as Mr McInturff explains, "means as a pollster that you're within margin of error".

"If you're in two or three points it means that on any given day you're going to see some fluctuation variation. So one day we could be a point ahead, the next day you're two points down," Mr McInturff said.

"Functionally tied was my way as a pollster of saying that I believe that we are within margin of error across these incredibly important battleground states."

Mr McInturff also says his polling shows that about 8 per cent of voters are either undecided or will not tell the pollster who they will vote for.

"We did a special study where we looked at that 8 per cent and we looked at who they were," he said.

"Who they were are older voters who live in rural America who are somewhat downscale, not college graduates.

"In the past they tell us that in 2004 they voted for George Bush by a two to one margin. And given their partisan roots, given their Bush over Carey split ... I believe they're going to break very heavily towards John McCain and I think that's roughly an additional thee plus points that will shift to McCain as all the votes are counted."

"If you take a functionally tied race and you add three or four points as these people break, guess what? The race is tied."

Karlyn Bowman, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute where she studies public opinion, says it is difficult to decipher the opinion polls.

"The polls have certainly proliferated. I sometimes wonder whether they're a little like paper money in Argentina; a currency with less value than they've had in the past because of the vast number of them," she said.

Some of the opinion polls are saying that Senator Obama has a very big lead over Senator McCain, up to double digits. Others are saying that his lead has narrowed to just a couple of points.

But Ms Bowman says while "there is some significant variation in the polls ... in some ways most of the major polls have actually been pretty stable".

"Recently in [pollster] Mark Blumenthal's compilation he argues that the Obama lead has narrowed ever so slightly in recent days, it's now at about 6.7 points in their overall estimate of the national trends," Ms Bowman said.

"And you see a little bit more movement in the Republican direction in some of the daily tracking polls, but still a picture of stability in some ways if you look at one individual poll and then compare it to that pollster's results a few days later."

Ms Bowman says she expects the gap between Senator Obama and Senator McCain to close, but the race is "Obama's to lose".

"I mean, certainly the McCain [camp] wants to suggest that we still have a race in order to get Republicans out to the polls but most of the other national polls, non-proprietary data, the kind that McCain's pollster's conducting, have it within a pretty similar range, again all suggesting an Obama lead," she said.


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1 posted on 10/30/2008 9:50:55 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
None of them are worth a hill of beans. The latest NYT/CBS poll with a Dem oversampling of 15+ is just laughable.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 10/30/2008 9:53:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Chet 99
the race is "Obama's to lose".

And that he will....spectacularly!

3 posted on 10/30/2008 9:53:53 PM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Chet 99

The polls can go hang, what I want to know is:

Who won the Hollaween Mask sales race!

I read that Gov Palin was the most popular on Yahoo!, but that is not the same, we won the cookie contest, we need the 3rd grade vote contest and *gulp* the Redskins to defeat the Steelers on Monday Night Football..


4 posted on 10/30/2008 9:55:25 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: Chet 99

We should also keep in mind the “feedback loop” effect of polls and 24-hour news stations/sites, as well as the subtle and not so subtle effects of the fact that the majority of pollsters are likely Obama voters. See http://www.zombietime.com/lefts_big_blunder/ for more info.


5 posted on 10/30/2008 9:56:38 PM PDT by sthguard (The problem isn't Islamic terrorists; it's terroristic Islam!)
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To: padre35

That Redskins streak ended in ‘04.


6 posted on 10/30/2008 9:57:21 PM PDT by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: padre35

Sorry but the Weekly Reader kids picked Obama by a huge margin:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/The-Nations-Students-Pick-Barack/story.aspx?guid={BFCBCCF9-9DD6-4215-B1FE-B2368CCF72FD}

This was released Wednesday.


7 posted on 10/30/2008 9:58:43 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Chet 99

Hopefully when McCain and Sarah get into the Non-Blackhouse they will make some changes and laws concerning future polling.


8 posted on 10/30/2008 9:58:52 PM PDT by Daniel Ramsey (Live from Wasilla, Alaska and saying NO to Barack HUSSEIN Obama)
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To: Chet 99

The Obamedia runs the polls. The Obamedia is in the tank all the way for their “messiah.” Why would anyone in their right mind believe what they are saying? Honesty and truth are things that the Obamedia no longer believes in. Media types all have their own agenda and they’ve all developed a “whatever it takes” mentality to push their agenda to the people.


9 posted on 10/30/2008 9:59:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I'm voting for McCain/Palin so I can look my grandchildren in the eyes when I tell them I'm sorry.)
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To: Chet 99

We still have the Lakers streak!

And what about the mask sales?


10 posted on 10/30/2008 9:59:34 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: padre35

OOPS..that link isn’t working.
Here:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-weeklyreader1029.artoct29,0,3918633.story


11 posted on 10/30/2008 10:00:15 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Chet 99
McCain camp questions accuracy of polls

It's so obvious that the polls are crooked once you look at the internals...if they actually publish them.

12 posted on 10/30/2008 10:00:58 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: snarkytart

Indeed, your link leads to a 404 error Snarkyt.


13 posted on 10/30/2008 10:01:01 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: goldstategop

True, they aren’t worth a hill of beans. Just a bunch of balogna.


14 posted on 10/30/2008 10:01:17 PM PDT by JaneNC (I)
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To: padre35

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-weeklyreader1029.artoct29,0,3918633.story


15 posted on 10/30/2008 10:01:21 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

thanks..I think.


16 posted on 10/30/2008 10:03:07 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: padre35
We still have the Lakers streak!

1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004, 2008...

17 posted on 10/30/2008 10:03:55 PM PDT by Chet 99 (Vote McCain/Palin, or this will be our future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTb5EFZmgbs)
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To: padre35

I know, I know, but we should have seen this one coming.
Obama has been in the media like a celebrity for MONTHS, and on RS, and US Weekly, and on MTV.


19 posted on 10/30/2008 10:05:35 PM PDT by snarkytart
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