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From a professional point of view, the distinction ought to be “procedural” vs. “substantive”. “Procedural” doesn’t mean unimportant (as some may think). As I pointed out, the seriousness of failing to comply with this discovery rule is the consequence that follows.

While some of the claims about Obama’s citizenship and paternity seem a bit flakey, the behavior of Team O on this issue is baffling. Complying with the discovery request and putting this issue to rest is easy. I can’t imagine what is driving this on the O side unless they have something embarassing or worse hidden somewhere.

On the other hand, do they want to let these rumors bubble to the surface next week so that they can finally produce a legitimate Hawaii birth certificate in the hope of generating scepticism about other more well founded claims against him and his campaign? And what about the Indonesian citizenship issue - if that is a real issue, why isn’t it getting more attention from our side? Questions, questions, questions....

Oh don’t misunderstand me, I am not defending Obama just trying to analyze the case. (old habit).

In any event, I read the pleadings just now and this motion is pending in the court (Obama Motion to Suspend Discovery pending a ruling on the Motion to Dismiss):

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/15/

The court has not ruled on this. However, Obama will not be required to respond to the Request for Admissions, or any other discovery, until such time as the Court rules on this request so there is no breach of the Rule. If Obama had just ignored it, it would be a breach but the court would still likely not rule for the Plaintiff. however, with this pending motion, the Defendant (Obama) is covered on the Request for Admissions issue.

That part is pretty cut and dried.

Of course this does not address the issue of “standing” or the underlying merits of the case. That is another issue for “,aybe” another day.

I agree with your comments.

Once it went to court and they refuse to meet the court's deadline to produce one document, it solidifies the issue in my mind, against the candidate.

Innocent people don't act like this and they don't force everybody else to go to expenses to prove what we are entitled to know.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR OUR VOTES, MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO RUN. IT'S IS FUNDAMENTAL TO AN HONOST ELECTION, THE RULE OF LAW, AND A JUST DEMOCRACY.

On the other hand, do they want to let these rumors bubble to the surface next week so that they can finally produce a legitimate Hawaii birth certificate in the hope of generating scepticism about other more well founded claims against him and his campaign?

That would backfire in my opinion. Say Barry holds a presser and says--uh, some people uh, think my name is uh, funny or something and that I uh, wasn't even born in uh, America. So, uh, here's my birth certificate.

So then the Drive-Bys tell everyone about how the conspiracy nuts actually thought he was born in Kenya due to a very proud Kenyan grandma who wanted to claim she was there and because he was adopted in Indonesia--but thankfully, folks, Barry has cleared that up so case closed. Then people go on the Internet and start doing their own research and the ladies at the beauty parlor and the guys down at the plant discuss it and before you know it, some have doubts and start thinking--maybe he wasn't born here.

As for the attention from our side issue...nobody wants to be the one who brought down Barry. Otherwise Clinton Inc. would have done it during the primaries.