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It’s not just abortion that should drive Catholics away from Obama.

Many people are not aware that the Catholic Church also opposes socialism and mandated wealth redistribution for 3 main reasons:

1. It robs the lawful posessor of the wealth (stealing) 2. It hurts the recipient in the end (they should be entitled to hope for and to keep whatever wealth they acquire too) 3. It distorts the role of the state

On the last point, the Church teaches the principle of subsidiarity, which is that higher levels of community, such as the state, should only perform functions not better performed by lower levels of community, such as families and charities.

The church teaches that the wealthy have an obligation to the poor, but that this is a PERSONAL DUTY, not something the state should mandate or control. Furthermore, the oblication should be personal in nature (ie, get involved), whereas state programs separate the giver from the receiver.

The church discourages class welfare and contends that envy of the rich is a violation of the 9th commandment.

Furthermore, the poor are told “to have nothing to do with men of evil principles, who work upon the people with artful promises of great results, and excite foolish hopes which usually end in useless regrets and grievous loss.”

Don’t beleive me, read “Rerum Novarum”, which is the papal encyclical that lays these positions out. Think it is irrelevant to today, know that John Paul II wrote an encyclical in 1991 affirming Rerum Novarum and went on to explicitly condemn the “Social Assistance State”.

1 posted on 10/24/2008 9:20:43 AM PDT by VinceASA
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Now if only the entire clergy would pay attention.


2 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:20 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Reagan is back, and this time he's a woman.)
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More on Catholic teachings against socialism.

“Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected….By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending. In fact, it would appear that needs are best understood
and satisfied by people who are closest to them and who act as neighbours to those in need.”

John Paul II, From Centesimus Annus, Encyclical on 100th anniversary of Rerum Novarum, 1991


3 posted on 10/24/2008 9:22:29 AM PDT by VinceASA
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Thank-you for the article. Bookmarked.


4 posted on 10/24/2008 9:23:35 AM PDT by Biggirl (Throw The Bums OUT!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: VinceASA
that ideal equality about which they entertain pleasant dreams would be in reality the levelling down of all to a like condition of misery and degradation.

Well said. Communism is nothing more than equality at the lowest common denominator.

5 posted on 10/24/2008 9:25:10 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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Umm, wow. Never thought I'd read that.
Now if only the leftstream of American protestant churches would follow suit.
6 posted on 10/24/2008 9:26:06 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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The RCC has been very impressive this election. A lot of Bishops have come out and basically said you can’t vote for a Rat and be a good Catholic and now this. I can only hope this message reaches their members as I hope and pray all Baptists realize you can’t support a candidate the believes in infanticide and call yourself a Christian.


7 posted on 10/24/2008 9:27:53 AM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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BTTT for later read. Thank you for posting this.


8 posted on 10/24/2008 9:29:36 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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I hope you don’t mind my using your words in an argument elsewhere. This is too good to waste.


10 posted on 10/24/2008 9:32:59 AM PDT by vharlow (http://www.harlowhome.com)
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To: VinceASA

Good post.

>>The church discourages class welfare and contends that envy of the rich is a violation of the 9th commandment.<<

Covetousness is the basis for class envy and coerced wealth redistribution. Socialism/marxism is founded in sin.


13 posted on 10/24/2008 9:37:16 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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This should be required reading for many parish priests.


15 posted on 10/24/2008 9:38:43 AM PDT by New Girl
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The following is reprinted, with permission, from the volume, "Our Ageless Constitution," 1987 Bicentennial Edition, and summarizes America's founding principle which formed the basis for our constitutional protections. Perhaps, without knowing it, "Joe . . ." has opened up a dialogue on a subject that is overdue for public discussion, inasmuch as textbooks and discussions in the public square have not contrasted the real difference between American liberty and the tyranny of other ideas.

Private Property Rights


- A basic Premise Of America's Constitution

Tired of having the fruits of their labors confiscated by an overpowering British government, America's Founders declared themselves free and independent.

Most American schoolchildren can recite their claim that ". all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights ... to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Less familiar, however, are these lines from their Declaration of Independence:

"He ( King George III ) has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance .... He has combined with others to subject us, ... imposing taxes on us without our consent."

What, then, did the Founders consider to be the real cornerstone of man's liberty and happiness? On what basic premise did they devise their Constitution? Let them speak for themselves:

John Adams

"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God ... anarchy and tyranny commence. PROPERTY MUST BE SECURED OR LIBERTY CANNOT EXIST"

 

James Madison

"Government is instituted to protect property of every sort .... This being the end of government, that is NOT a just government,... nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has ... is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest."

Their guiding principle was that people come together to form governments in order to SECURE their rights to property - not to create an entity which wilt, itself, "take from the mouths of labor the bread it has earned." What was wrong for individual citizens to do to one another, they believed, was equally wrong for government to do to them.

The right to own property and to keep the rewards of individual labor opened the floodgates of progress for the benefit of the entire human race. Millions have fled other countries to participate in the Miracle of America.

 

19 posted on 10/24/2008 9:41:49 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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The Catholic Church has condemned communism explicitly, but many of the positions of the Catholic Church on social justice and economic rights (excluding abortion) would have, and had have them mislabeled as “socialist” by many of the more anti-catholic posters on FR. For example, the USCCB are strongly in favor of universal, nationalized healthcare. They are also strongly supportive of raising the minimum wage, and comprehensive immigration reform.

The Church strongly condemns the current global capitalist system too, so this is just cherry picking Catholic teaching.


21 posted on 10/24/2008 9:42:08 AM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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So, Jesus was NOT a socialist.

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22 posted on 10/24/2008 9:47:55 AM PDT by polymuser (God bless and keep America.)
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Boy, am I surprised. I am not a Catholic, but I attend a centering prayer group with quite a few Catholics, nuns among them; and they are communists, basically. What they call social justice strikes me as pure communism, and go along with the attendant hatred and envy of the producers, they have it all.

They totally support Chavez and the new communist leader of Bolivia, and everything they do. If a proposed law is out there that punishes businesses, they have the petition, and are collecting signatures.They are totally against private property of any kind, and all the "greedy corporations".It's been pretty shocking, really.

I love a lot of things about the Catholic church, and Father Keating, who teaches centering prayer; but there are just too many Catholics like this for me to join. I just figured that it came from the top. Since it obviously doesn't, where does it come from ?

23 posted on 10/24/2008 9:51:28 AM PDT by Red Boots
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The doctrine may state that it opposes "socialism" but the lay ministry and the priests in many areas are not only "socialists" but communist as well.

This is of course limited to my areas of travel to South American, Central America and parts of Indonesia.

25 posted on 10/24/2008 9:58:51 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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Bookmarked


28 posted on 10/24/2008 10:05:27 AM PDT by kidd
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To: VinceASA
"No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist". (Pius XI, Quad. Anno, 1931)
37 posted on 10/24/2008 11:40:24 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Ping


40 posted on 10/24/2008 12:15:42 PM PDT by theKid51
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If the Catholic Church is so opposed to socialism, then why hasn’t Father Pfleger been excommunicated?


45 posted on 10/24/2008 12:51:05 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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Excellent post and thanks!!


47 posted on 10/24/2008 1:06:55 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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