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To: Peelod

The notice in the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser on August 13, 1961 only states that a son was born on August 4 to Mr & Mrs Barack H. Obama. No mention is made of place of birth.


251 posted on 10/12/2008 9:01:15 PM PDT by Peelod (We do live in interesting times.)
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To: Peelod; razorback-bert; AHerald
The notice in the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser on August 13, 1961 only states that a son was born on August 4 to Mr & Mrs Barack H. Obama. No mention is made of place of birth.

The notice is published in a second called "Vital Statistics" and what the Advertiser claims is that the section is a reporting of state records entries by the Department of Public Health.

In the first place, documents such as a record of Live Birth file certificate does not certify anything other than the record name and date. It is common practice in most states to issue these certificates even with respect to persons not born in the state. An adoption in state A by parents in state B with the adoption proceed conducted in B is almost always accompanied by a Birth Certificate certifying birth in B, even though that isn't where it happened.

In order to get the state's real information about a birth, it is necessary to get through to the usually sealed vault birth record documents.

And, at least in the 60's, Hawaii was loose about what they would accept as a birth filing.

I assumed early on in this investigation that newspaper information would appear; I suspect that what is published reflects a document on file with public health that contains the information set forth.

We can speculate on the nature of the document. An Affidavit of Home Birth? A simple Affidavit of Birth? No reason as a practical matter why any of those things would require the Affiant to state where the birth occurred. Had I been doing it to establish a US Citizen birth in Hawaii, I would have done an affidavit of live birth by the Mother or Grandmother; put an ink footprint on it; found a cooperative local doctor in the business of delivering babies at one of the local hospitals; and had the doctor put the affidavit in his daily filings at the hospital where he practiced.

I am now inclined to bet that is not what they did. Because if the filing didn't include data indicating that he was born in Kenya, or at least that he wasn't born in Hawaii, they would have published it by now.

I assume that anyone reading this here is aware of the extensive threads on this topic since last June and the accompanying legal threads setting out the legal issues involved.

As set forth, I think any reasonable reading of the current state of the factual record concludes with the proposition that he was born somewhere in the Mombasa district in Kenya around the end of July or the first of August; that Stanley Ann (his mother) immediately took him on a BOAC flight out of Nairobi through Glaskow to Vancouver BC; then to Seattle where she is on the record with her pal Susan Blake who is testifying that Stanley Ann had not yet learned to change diapers in August of 1961 when she arrived suggesting that the visit occurred very shortly after the birth; Ann on to Hawaii where she and or her mother or father or cooperative doctor make some filing on August 8, 1961 with respect to the birth.

376 posted on 10/14/2008 8:05:26 AM PDT by David (...)
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