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To: IrishBrigade

I disagree. You cannot be actively supporting abortion, but deciding to vote for a politician who is wrong on abortion is not the same as causing one or procuring one or actively assisting in the procurement thereof.(remember, the politician does not force anyone to get an abortion and it is only the supreme court that can undo Roe v. Wade. If a politician was forcing women to get abortions (lets say for population control or eugenic reasons), then it would be an entirely different story).

I think that the author and Douglas Kmiec can be Catholics in good standing, . They are merely choosing one evil over another, which is the unfortunate nature of the American political system.


115 posted on 10/01/2008 1:03:54 PM PDT by ChurtleDawg (voting only encourages them)
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To: ChurtleDawg

“I think that the author and Douglas Kmiec can be Catholics in good standing, . They are merely choosing one evil over another, which is the unfortunate nature of the American political system.”

Respectfully, sir. That is BS! Your knowledge of Church doctrine is seriously flawed. Below are a couple of sources you should consider before absolving these heretics:

This is what the US Catholic Bishops say:

“The Gospel of Life must be proclaimed, and human life defended, in all places and all times. The arena for moral responsibilities includes not only the halls of government, but the voting booth as well. Laws that permit abortion, euthanasia, and assisted suicide are profoundly unjust, and we should work peacefully and tirelessly to oppose and change them. Because they are unjust they cannot bind citizens in conscience, be supported, acquiesced in, or recognized as valid. Our nation cannot countenance the continued existence in our society of such fundamental violations of human rights.”

This is an in depth analysis of what Catholic teaching really says from Bishop Rene Gracida:

On Voting for Pro-Abortion Candidates
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by Bishop Rene Henry Gracida, DD
“When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.”
— Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

It is never permissible for a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion candidate because the candidate is pro-abortion. Such a vote would be formal cooperation in the serious sin of the candidate who, upon being elected, would vote for legislation making possible the taking of innocent human life through procured abortion.

When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favor of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons strictly defined.

Since abortion and euthanasia have been defined by the Church as the most serious sins prevalent in our society, what kind of reasons could possibly be considered proportionate enough to justify a Catholic voting for a candidate who is known to be pro-abortion? None of the reasons commonly suggested could even begin to be proportionate enough to justify a Catholic voting for such a candidate. Reasons such as the candidate’s position on war, or taxes, or the death penalty, or immigration, or a national health plan, or social security, or aids, or homosexuality, or marriage, or any similar burning societal issues of our time are simply lacking in proportionality.

There is only one thing that could be considered proportionate enough to justify a Catholic voting for a candidate who is known to be pro-abortion, and that is the protection of innocent human life. That may seem to be contradictory, but it is not.

Consider the case of a Catholic voter who must choose between three candidates: candidate (A, Kerry) who is completely for abortion-on-demand, candidate (B, Bush) who is in favor of very limited abortion, i.e., in favor of greatly restricting abortion and candidate (C, Peroutka), a candidate who is completely against abortion but who is universally recognized as being unelectable.

The Catholic voter cannot vote for candidate (A, Kerry) because that would be formal cooperation in the sin of abortion if that candidate were to be elected and assist in passing legislation, which would remove restrictions on, abortion-on-demand.

The Catholic can vote for candidate (C, Peroutka) but that will probably only help ensure the election of candidate (A, Kerry).

Therefore the Catholic voter has a proportionate reason to vote for candidate (B, Bush) since his vote may help to ensure the defeat of candidate (A, Kerry) and may result in the saving of some innocent human lives if candidate (B, Bush) is elected and votes for legislation restricting abortion-on-demand. In such a case, the Catholic voter would have chosen the lesser of two evils which is morally permissible under these circumstances.

Of course, the Catholic voter could choose not to vote. But that would be a serious abdication of the Catholic voter’s civic and moral obligation to participate in the election. By not voting the Catholic voter could well be assisting in the election of candidate (A, Kerry) and while that would not carry the same guilt as formal participation in candidate (A, Kerry’s) support of abortion-on-demand it would still be sinful, even if only a sin of omission.

Those Catholic voters who love moral absolutes would have no choice but to vote for candidate (C, Peroutka), but those Catholics who recognize that in the real world it is sometimes necessary to choose the lesser of two evils in order to prevent greater harm – in this case harm to innocent unborn children would vote for candidate (B, Bush).

+Rene Henry Gracida
Bishop Emeritus of Corpus Christi


117 posted on 10/01/2008 1:25:46 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: ChurtleDawg
With all due respect, please read this priests well thought out and eloquent statement of why you are wrong.
135 posted on 10/01/2008 2:33:41 PM PDT by xsmommy
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