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To: narses

“If the credit markets seize and the MTM issue remains, how long before bank runs start?”

When the FDIC just took over WAMU and gave it to JPM then they wiped out all the bond holders. Even the preferred ones at the very top. This is not normal practice, but it saved the FDIC money. Bond holders in other banks are saying “Hey wait a minute”, and are now selling there bond holdings in other banks. This means banks are losing capital very fast right now. Besides depositor withdrawals.

Every move the government is making is the wrong move. And they have ensured that our economic system is most likely going down big time. The bail out bill would not stop it. Only transfer more pain onto the tax payer. It is another bad move.

Republicans are doing what should have been done a long time ago. But it is so late in the game. What they are fighting for now (I hope still) was the way out. It might be too late. But the Conservative Republicans will not be the blame for that if it is. But they will probably be blamed for it.

God will know the truth.


262 posted on 09/28/2008 12:09:38 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Thane_Banquo

See 262. Comments please.


281 posted on 09/28/2008 12:15:59 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Revel
Bond holders in other banks are saying “Hey wait a minute”, and are now selling there bond holdings in other banks. This means banks are losing capital very fast right now.

The bonds are already issued, so I don't see how this is a loss of capital. Rather, doesn't this mean that the cost of capital for banks will be higher? And wouldn't this be appropriate, given the risk?

302 posted on 09/28/2008 12:22:53 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Revel

Great. Thanks.


327 posted on 09/28/2008 12:39:37 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Revel

“If the credit markets seize and the MTM issue remains, how long before bank runs start?”

When the FDIC just took over WAMU and gave it to JPM then they wiped out all the bond holders. Even the preferred ones at the very top. This is not normal practice, but it saved the FDIC money. Bond holders in other banks are saying “Hey wait a minute”, and are now selling there bond holdings in other banks. This means banks are losing capital very fast right now. Besides depositor withdrawals.

Every move the government is making is the wrong move. And they have ensured that our economic system is most likely going down big time. The bail out bill would not stop it. Only transfer more pain onto the tax payer. It is another bad move.

Republicans are doing what should have been done a long time ago. But it is so late in the game. What they are fighting for now (I hope still) was the way out. It might be too late. But the Conservative Republicans will not be the blame for that if it is. But they will probably be blamed for it.

God will know the truth.

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I concur 100%. Absolutely. Everything the government is doing is completely wrong, and the effect will be to drive capital out of the US financial system. The steps taken to date have done nothing but shatter international trust of the US financial system, proving with every action that it is financial anarchy, made up on the fly, existing law be damned, no recrimination for the purveyors of fraud, run by and for the benefit of the banking elite. If we stay on this path, the economic and financial dislocations the POS bill are supposedly designed to stave will happen with violent certainty.


329 posted on 09/28/2008 12:41:04 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Tired from wondering whether we wake up in the newest socialist country tomorrow.)
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