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To: curiosity

This subject is just so complicated it’s hard to get your arms around it. There are the bad loans made by mortgage brokers, but then mortgage backed bonds were sold based on those, and an insurer such as AIG gets socked, etc.

Just “devil’s advocate” a bit, I heard somebody say that the gov’t might make money on the deal. Because after the gov’t buys these bad mortgage loans, they will auction them off. And then the market may give the gov’t a profit. This person who said that was saying that the tight cash flow was behind last week’s meltdown, and that at the prices the gov’t is getting these loans, there is a chance of profit. Just saying.........

Where is the gov’t getting $700 billion though? We know they don’t just have $700 billion in a bank account somewhere, just waiting for Paulson to wire somebody the money.


5 posted on 09/22/2008 9:32:50 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Paulson already said he would pay over value for the loans. The banks are holding them and not selling because they would be insolvent if they did. So the bailout is a loser. The banks have their crap hidden off balance sheet and in tier 3 mark to make-believe. Lehman was supposed to have 20 billion in capital and looks like it will have at least 120 billion loss. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are already showing losses far in excess of what OMB guessed at 25 billion. It is ridiculous to try a bailout until you know the extent of what is needed and the banks are hiding it because Bernanke and Paulson are letting them.

Do you want to give taxpayer money to banks that took unnecessary risks, committed fraud and debtors who took loans they knew they couldn't pay and lied on their applications? What happened to Law and Order?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZQPyVL7kKY

8 posted on 09/22/2008 9:45:34 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Good point...I’m wondering if the Treasury will issue Treasury Bonds or Treasury Notes...Treasury will swap the Notes to each lending organization that thy are buying the mortgages from...

As for making a profit from selling the foreclosed homes, that’s kind of far fetched...it sounds nice, but won’t work in practice..There may be some writeoff...The mortgages that still are being paid will help and most likely the Govt will do everything it can to get the mortgages refinances to 30 year fixed rate loans...it will be a long term workout and eventually the banks may buy back some of the performing mortgages...


10 posted on 09/22/2008 9:47:15 PM PDT by billmor (Friday:Red Shirt Day- silent no more..,McCain and Palin-the right team for '08)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
"Where is the gov’t getting $700 billion though? We know they don’t just have $700 billion in a bank account somewhere, just waiting for Paulson to wire somebody the money."

World bank, where else? That's what it's there for.

11 posted on 09/22/2008 9:48:30 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Dilbert San Diego

and when we get reallybroke, we can just ask the world bank to forgive our debt. After all, how many turd world countries have we allowed to have their debts forgiven over the years?

Hundreds of billions of dollars have “vanished” into the thin are around the world bank before. That’s what it’s there fore.

If we played this game of “bankers” properly, the world and everyone in it always goes broke, and the bank always ends up with all the money.


13 posted on 09/22/2008 9:52:49 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Where is the gov’t getting $700 billion though? We know they don’t just have $700 billion in a bank account somewhere, just waiting for Paulson to wire somebody the money.

Look over your shoulder, dude, because you looked behind the curtain, and that's not allowed.

The government can't earn or "create" money.

The taxpayer will pay either through massive inflation and simultaneous devaluation (if the government just prints the money), or if the government allows nature to take its course, the amount that the same taxpayers will lose if all those businesses are allowed to fail will make the alternative make a lot of sense --- but way too late.

We live in interesting times.

A real-life lose-lose proposition.

Unless, of course, we can get restitution from the real villains. The brokers, the insiders, the CEOs. To account for several trillion dollars, there must be a whole lot of them.

Where is the money? In assets? Swiss banks? Offshore accounts? They can't make money disappear any more than the government can just print it.

Who exactly are the stockholders in all the businesses that we will allow to fail?
Has the question even been asked?

14 posted on 09/22/2008 9:53:38 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It seems for the government to profit from the mortgages they would have to sell houses for more than the people paid for them, plus the costs of selling them. Since many of these houses sold at prices way over the market (due to overabundance of buyers who had access to easy money) and since there will now be fewer buyers, with loans tighter, I don’t see how this works. Must be missing something here.


19 posted on 09/22/2008 10:08:36 PM PDT by Anima Mundi
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