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Ron Paul Endorses Baldwin for President
Campaign for Liberty ^ | Sept. 22, 2008 | Campaign for Liberty

Posted on 09/22/2008 2:34:38 PM PDT by SecAmndmt

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To: EternalVigilance

That’s right. Keyes didn’t want to join their stupid party anyhow. That’s why he was seeking to be their nominee for President.


121 posted on 09/23/2008 1:46:07 PM PDT by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: distressed
Here is a dose of reality that grown up Americans need to accept...the government cannot "fix" this problem...borrowing and printing hundreds of billions (trillions?) of dollars and throwing that into the market can, at best, only delay and make worse the inevitable

My comment was not about the current situation, but rather a comment on Ron Paul's skills as a leader. Intellectually sound, but not always able to convince anyone of the wisdom of his ways.

122 posted on 09/23/2008 1:48:01 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign state.)
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To: distressed
"Actually, the platform looks like a strict adherance to the Constitution."

I skimmed the preamble kind of fast, and then scrolled down quickly, but yea, I don't see anything that appears to be against the Constitution either.

123 posted on 09/23/2008 1:52:52 PM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: distressed; mnehrling; Designer

mnehrling’s issue with their platform from what I can tell is that they seem to be in favor of many of these things not because of the Constitution but because of their religiosity. There is a lot of overlap, so I guess his issue is WHY do they support these policies.

Personally I think they do a pretty good job with Constitutional adherence, but a lot of people are weary of all the religious talk.


124 posted on 09/23/2008 2:08:15 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: distressed

It will likely cost trillions.

But I agree in that the market needs to handle this. These institutions should fail and we must understand that it will be painful in the short term. But like you said, the longer we put it off, the worse it’ll be.


125 posted on 09/23/2008 2:11:00 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: mlocher
Intellectually sound, but not always able to convince anyone of the wisdom of his ways.

Unfortunately, I think any politician who is intellectually sound and has the habit of telling the public the truth...will accurately be accused of being unpersuasive.

That is the nature of democratic politics...the charlatans and demogogues will always tell the public exactly what it wants to hear.

As Mencken wrote, "politicians will all promise every man, woman and child in the country whatever he, she or it wants. They’ll all be roving the land looking for chances to make the rich poor, to remedy the irremediable, to succor the unsuccorable, to unscramble the unscrambleable, to dephlogisticate the undephlogisticable, because they understand that votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense"

126 posted on 09/23/2008 2:26:45 PM PDT by distressed
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To: distressed
Unfortunately, I think any politician who is intellectually sound and has the habit of telling the public the truth...will accurately be accused of being unpersuasive.

I understand the point you are making and I agree that there is some truth to it. Nonetheless, we have had some great conservative leaders, such as Reagan, who did not conform to the status quo and did great things. Oration skills were a must for him.

127 posted on 09/23/2008 2:29:32 PM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign state.)
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To: distressed

Which is why we’re supposed to be a Republic.


128 posted on 09/23/2008 2:52:19 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

He didn’t want to be their nominee enough to throw Israel, or any of the other freedom-loving people of the world, over the side. If he’d been willing, they would have nominated him no problem.

I’m glad we know the truth about them. And we do, because Alan is willing to walk down the hard paths when it’s necessary to do so.


129 posted on 09/23/2008 3:26:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Beware the Bear.)
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To: robert david

Paul has walked away with millions of dollars.

Running can pay very well when one doesn’t use the money sent to campaign.


130 posted on 09/23/2008 3:36:55 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' Barney Frank 9-10-03)
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To: SecAmndmt

Baldwin flirts with the Troofers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCun2nzZ17k


131 posted on 09/23/2008 4:19:49 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Beware the Bear.)
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To: SecAmndmt
Oh wait. He doesn't just flirt with the Truthers. He is one.

From his own website:

What Really Happened on 9/11?

Only One Presidential Candidate Asks...

Constitution Party presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin is the only candidate from a FEC- recognized party to challenge the official story of the tragedy of 9-11. Representing the largest and fastest-growing third party based on voter registration (Ballot Access news), Baldwin joins the growing list of military, scientific and other well-credentialed experts who agree,'the government's account of what happened that day simply does not pass the smell test'.

Baldwin, poised to attract voters who will not cast their votes for either 'Big Box' party candidate in November said, 'All across America voters are telling me, ''I am afraid of Obama and I don't trust McCain'.

Baldwin added, 'More and more people want answers . They want to know about government corruption, our loss of liberties and yes, what really happened on September 11th. The heartache this country endured won't be cured, but it will give us answers to some basic questions about why our security, intelligence and civil defense measures failed and why so many aspects of the government's version have been shown to be lies'.


For the record, their claim about being the third-largest party is bogus. Since the American Independent Party in CA affiliated with America's Independent Party nationally, the CP is at best the sixth or seventh largest party in the country based on voter registration. They are not, as they claim, the "fastest-growing party," they are the fast-shrinking party in America.

132 posted on 09/23/2008 4:35:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Beware the Bear.)
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To: EternalVigilance

On balance of issues, I’ll take trooferism and paleoconservative anti-war over: pro-abortionism, pro-sodomite “marriage”, the destruction of our sovereignty, the destruction of the dollar, illegal immigration, radical feminism, destruction of our military through globalist adventures overseas, the marginalization of Christianity in public life, the private federal reserve and its FRN “dollar”, gun grabbing, law breaking by public officials, foreign aid borrowed from China and given to ANYONE, treasonous entanglements and financing of our enemies for decades, phony professions of Christianity by elected officials, federal Planned Parenthood funding, Plan B funding, population control, assaults on property rights and the Bill of Rights, the income tax, the discharge of Michael New from the military, the Waco massacre, federal funding for the pagan academies AKA socialist government schools etc. etc.

Silly conspiracy theories just don’t trouble me. And quite frankly, our Founding fathers (who were influenced by Calvinist Protestantism) created a limited government precisely because our elected leaders are not exempt for criminal behavior before, during or after their time of “public service”.


133 posted on 09/23/2008 10:21:14 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: SecAmndmt

Why settle for any of it? I don’t get it.


134 posted on 09/23/2008 11:36:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Beware the Bear.)
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To: SecAmndmt
I’ll take trooferism

Those who actually believe that our own government had anything to do with 9-11 should not be posting on message boards or worrying about electoral politics. They should be at war.

135 posted on 09/23/2008 11:38:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Beware the Bear.)
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To: ari-freedom
that’s easy to say but when california was burning, there were quite a few homes in Orange County with gun racks that burned down.

Makes no difference. Those guys know they're building and buying houses in areas very prone to wildfires from way before the time that they buy, so I don't buy the idea that they're due anything in the way of help from anyone other than their insurance company and their family and friends. Those are the people who usually help the most and do it best. The feds stink at it.

136 posted on 09/24/2008 2:08:48 AM PDT by MarcoPolo
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To: MarcoPolo

I’m not a big fan of federal flood insurance and things of that nature. It was a big issue during the florida primary and mccain opposed it. He still managed to win.

What I’m talking about are the logistics of fighting a fire that transcends localities and the evacuation. For example, during a hurricane, people from Louisiana need to be bussed and sheltered in texas. That’s not an easy thing to pull off by the private sector.

Another example of federal intervention would be during some kind of highly contagious outbreak.


137 posted on 09/24/2008 2:21:48 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We never hide from history. We make history!)
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To: SecAmndmt
And to think I used to love Ron Paul. *shakes head in disgust*
138 posted on 09/24/2008 2:24:55 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Night Conservative
"Ron Paul is more in-line with the party's base of small government than many of the jokers in the party ever will be. "

true.. but our constitution built a two party system. we have a two party system. pick one or the other. This isn't rocket science.

if you are in a state that can not win or can not lose. only then can i possibility see a protest vote. But that is all it is.

But personally I don’t know how you can protest with Palin on the ticket. We should be say YES! it is about time!

139 posted on 09/24/2008 2:33:55 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: EternalVigilance

“Those who actually believe that our own government had anything to do with 9-11 should not be posting on message boards or worrying about electoral politics. They should be at war.”

Try not to take my statements out of context, thanks.


140 posted on 09/24/2008 8:11:59 AM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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