Posted on 09/16/2008 5:15:53 AM PDT by raybbr
“It is my experience that the tuition that is paid is only about 55% of the cost of actually running the college. The taxpayers or the alumni fund and grants and inheritances pay for the rest.”
Ok, no argument there. The point still is that colleges are spending someone elses money, just like the government.
We have homeschooled our son since 7th grade and he is a very good writer as well. However, he and I are working on the research notations and other requirements this year.
I am truly beginning to detest 90% of the up coming generations.
“They are selfish.
They have an inflated idea of who. what they are and how much they know.
They have an inflated idea of their worth to an employer, or society in general.
All those years of cartoons that showed how “smart” and “special” they were, with no basic 3 R’s, will come home to roost.”
Ha, I agree 100% with you. I thought I was the only one. They are so out of touch from reality that they can’t even perceive it when you try and tell them. And then they have the nerve to blame baby boomers.
AP = Advance Placement -these courses are college level, taught in high school, and have national exams that colleges give credit for performance on the exam. These were introduced in the early 1970s,at least in FL and NY.
CLEP = College Level Examination Program - same idea as AP, different administrators, introduced a few years later if I recall correctly. I believe it is just a test, no special classes. I could be wrong about that last sentence.
Most colleges accept one or more. Most will give general credit but typically not toward your major...
A college degree is becoming like home ownership yet not all people are smart enough to be in college or disciplined enough to have a mortgage.”
We have a WINNER!!!!
EXACTLY!!!!!
The school boards have removed almost all of the vocational classes- welding-—woodworking-—shop-— mechanics-— even home economics where a person can at least learn how to cook, since they are surely going to eat for the rest of their lives.
Employers looking for machinists, carpenters, cabinet makers, fabricators who can weld.... they are crying.
I ask them: When in your entire life have you ever gone to a school board meeting and discussed with them about the lack of training for those who are definately NOT college material????
They look at me with the deer in the headlights look, and say never..
Not even when their own kids were in school. They are leaders in their communities—Rotary- Kiwanis- Elks- Chamber of Commerce-—and none of them think for 2 seconds about hammering the school board to put those classes back into the schools.
Now everyone bitches about “jobs going out of the country”. We have brought some of this on ourselves, acting thruout trhe entire 13 years of a kids public education as tho having any kind of a blue collar job is just “not done”. Teachers are the second generation of the NEA influence. We are stabbing ourselves to death.
Until we turn this around- we will have thousands of seats occupied in colleges by kids who are only proving they can warm up the seat. They will never be productive from the classes they will eventually drop out of.
Pushing them with tutors, etc, gets them possibly thru college, but only ends up putting a kid into a job they hate, IMO.
This also means that the taxpayers (like us) who typically paid for that high school education have been defrauded as well - the student was given a diploma without possessing/retaining the expected skills.
Excellent point.””
Taxpayers fund 13 years of a kids public education...
When the end product comes out of the pipeline, it is useless.
I want a LEMON LAW for students/schools.
He had even gone to putting test answers on the board before handing out the tests - and still over half the class would fail.
Sad. Too familiar though; Here in Rochester some 'overzealous administrators' gave the 7th and 8th grade students in the city school district 'study sheets' with answers to the actual test questions for two state exams. The pass rate? 56%. My wife and I think there were two factors: lack of reading ability and lack of motivation and study skills. I want my tax money back...
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sorry- When I get mad- I type faster than I spell.
Government schools need to be regarded like welfare - there for those who can’t afford anything else, but too low a standard for anyone with motivation.
My kids started community college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13 so I had an opportunity to hang around the community college ( especially the math lab). Every student who attended that community college took a placement test. It was very surprising to me that students who had earned good grades in high school needed remedial courses. Evidently, their teachers had lied to them. An “A” in English or Algebra II in high should mean that remedial courses would not be necessary, but that absolutely was not the case.
Also,...Why is it that the community college did a great job in getting these kids up to speed when just 10 to 12 weeks earlier the high school couldn't? Same kids. Same rotten dysfunctional families. Same economic status. The kids are working the same grunge jobs at Mc Donalds. But...The community college does a great job and the high school doesn't.
Finally, why arent’ these community college placement tests given to all students in government high school who may have plans for attending college? Shouldn't they know a year or two ahead of high school graduation that their H.S. diploma won't be worth the paper it is written on?
Thank you. It’s nice when your post gets acknowledged!
Off topic, is anyone else having problems connecting to Free Republic? When I do connect it’s either slow or stops completely. We’ll see if I can even post this.
I want a LEMON LAW for students/schools.
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Great line! Sitting here laughing!
I told this to my husband. He said, “Lemon Laws are are for the few that are bad. With government schools, they are **ALL** bad!”. :-)
Self selection. These are the motivated kids. They're not being held back by a classroom of unmotivated, slow learners.
In the case of the girl who earned “A”s in high school and then needed remedial classes in college...well...evidently her teachers LIED to her!
ALL government school teachers who hand out bogus grades, ALL principals who promote kids who are not proficient in math and English, and ALL other teachers who cooperate with this system are LIARS!
As for you other point, I think Charles Murray has the right idea. We need private competency tests and board exams for certification. Let's dump most of what passes for Liberal/Marxist indoctrination in college.
The teacher was quite peeved. He finally decided to only assign *odd* numbered problems so the kids could check their own work for accuracy.
My daughter was fuming. “He's just too lazy to properly grade our homework! It's much easier to just glance at the paper to see if we did it than to dig around to see if we did it right! Very few highschoolers will use the answer key in the back of the book correctly. They'll just cheat and this whole class is going to be lost!”
She's gone to the principal to complain about teachers in the past. (”He's weak! He's completely lost control of the classroom! He needs to enforce DISCIPLINE!” “Her teaching methods are ineffective. She doesn't answer questions and the kids who need help the most are slipping through the cracks!”) The cool part is that the administration actually listens to her and has taken action.
I'm just sitting back, smiling and waiting to see what she does with this one. She's pretty mad.
(See, this is what happens when you give females shoes and teach them to hunt! They get all *uppity*! lol!)
Then this is clearly the fault of the government school!
The government school is **forcing** motivated students into classrooms where learning is impossible. Whose fault is that?
The kids? NO!
The parents? NO!
The government school? Yes!
The government teachers and principal who cooperate with an impossible system? Yes!
Do your daughter a favor. Teach her how to protect herself from retaliation. Teachers and administrators don’t like criticism.
Very cute post!
Good for you daughter!
Yep!
Very slow!
The reality is that kids are not taught anything at all. My Mom is a teacher and has approximately 10 students that she considers even “B” students in her era, and 90% of those kids are white or Asian.
She is forced to pass kids because failing drug dealers, mentally ill children or single teen moms with no intention on bettering themselves means less funding from the country and state.
What the article misses and everyone dances around is that you cannot teach IQ and we have no back-up such as trade schools, tech schools that catch the non-college bound student.
The masses are dumbed down via flouride, TV and food additives and of course, outcome-based education, which is a page torn from the Communist Manifesto.
Conspiracy you say? Look at a public high school with 40-50% dropout rates and the people that do graduate cannot read?
Like Obama, Hillary, Wall Street, illegal immigration and overall malaise in the US, this is an obvcious problem that could be solved by slammming the NEA and actually using common sense, but like many special interest groups, they wield way too much power over their bought-and-paid for politicians.
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