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Dow Closes Down 504.48
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Posted on 09/15/2008 1:16:57 PM PDT by illiac

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To: durasell
'...controls add a measure of stability.  My fear isn’t that they’ll do “something,” it’s that they’ll do the “wrong thing.”...'

You nailed it.

We need governments; they're one the highest realms of human activity, right up there with religion and raising kids.   Market places need a secure environment that only governments can provide and our debate should not be whether we need government control but rather what kind of control.

321 posted on 09/16/2008 8:55:29 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Citizen Blade; hedgetrimmer
"...just made it worse and caused the recovery to take longer..."

If trade surpluses were good then why was the big one during the 30's so bad?

Let's face it: tariffs are taxes and taxes take money from us and make us poorer.  Higher tariffs are bad.

322 posted on 09/16/2008 9:01:29 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Higher tariffs are bad.

Bad for Panama, good for the domestic American economy. Whose side are you on?
323 posted on 09/16/2008 9:06:43 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Thanks. I was not aware of the quid pro quo, only the rush to cater financially to illegals.


324 posted on 09/16/2008 9:07:28 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: All

CNBC now reporting that attempts to have private sector provide bridge loan funds to AIG are dead.

There’s only two options left - government intervention or bankruptcy.


325 posted on 09/16/2008 9:13:48 AM PDT by Fury
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To: dools007

McCain’s economic advisor, former senator Phil Gramm, then USB bank of switzerland paid lobbyist was also the co-chair of the committee that rewrote the banking legislation that created this financial meltdown in 1999.

Both parties are corrupt, and both parties show the corrupt corporatist fascist relationships that are becoming the downfall of America.


326 posted on 09/16/2008 9:19:41 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
tariffs are bad.    Bad for Panama, good for the domestic American economy.

Must be the differences in what we want.  

My idea is that I don't want to finance bigger government every time I shop for coffee and bananas.  Other people want families getting less food and more government.   You can decide that taxes are better than food and I can prefer food over taxes and there's nothing either of us can ever say that could possibly convince the other.

It's been fun; cheers!

327 posted on 09/16/2008 9:27:33 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Fury
attempts to have private sector provide bridge loan funds to AIG are dead

Hmmm.  AIG's a DOW component, and the DOW is up right now.

328 posted on 09/16/2008 9:29:54 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Fury; Freedom_Is_Not_Free

How interesting that AIG is next.

The claim is that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, then chairman of Goldman Sachs illegally manipulated the price of AIG to keep it afloat, and used AIG to purchase the Dubai Ports World holdings in the US when Americans learned that they were purchasing control of US port security. Now Goldman Sachs is walking away. Many many Americans have their retirment plans in AIG annuities. Why do you suppose the government/goldman sachs/jp morgan corportist fascist consortium is doing this?


329 posted on 09/16/2008 9:35:27 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: expat_panama
the DOW is up right now.

Thanks to the federal interfering goverment pumping $70 billion into it yesterday and billions and billions of dollars pumped into the stock market since last year.
330 posted on 09/16/2008 9:37:56 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Yo hedgetrimmer—I agree. Thanks for reminding me about Phil Gramm. Both parties are at fault with regard to just about every thing that is wrong in our country today. However, the only party that wants to foist communism on us is the Dem Party. And the only party that was actively blocking our achieving energy independence is the same party.

I did not intend to vote for McCain. I was, and still am, fed up with the RNC argument that it’s better to vote pubbie, any pubbie, than let the dems win. If you’re a conservative person the result has only been the appearance of ever more liberal pubbie candidates. I think many people like me concluded that unless we withheld our money and our vote nothing would ever change. McCain’s picking Palin, a conservative, is the result. Also saw Romney take a decided turn to the right at convention so it I think the conservative hold out was effective.

IMO same thing applies to Wall Street and mortgage debacle. If bad behavior is penalized it will be corrected.


331 posted on 09/16/2008 9:45:52 AM PDT by dools007
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To: expat_panama

LOL, you just said free markets need government.

US citizens need constitutional government. Tariffs are constitutional, corporatist fascism called “free trade” isn’t.

You can’t get domestically grown coffee and bananas in Panama? You shouldn’t be paying tariffs on those, LOL!


332 posted on 09/16/2008 9:46:07 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: dools007

As long as any candidate, democrat or republican, has the support of the corporatists, your vote will never change the country for the better. We’re getting into the lesser of two evils discussion again (a losing proposition IMO), and which is more evil, communism or fascism? I say both are evil and Americans should not be made to choose one or the other over a free constitutional government. The Founders would never have reduced the options to two non-choices. They fought for and WON freedom. It is up to us to preserve that legacy, not try to decide if we should pick communism or fascism.


333 posted on 09/16/2008 9:51:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
DOW is up right now.  Thanks to the federal interfering goverment pumping $70 billion into it yesterday

Wow, that's amazing!  By any chance you have a link on that?

334 posted on 09/16/2008 9:53:29 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Here's the headline,(we are so far from a free market economy and a free constitutional government, it's sickening)

Fed pumps $50B into financial system; some call for rate cut

but they've already changed the article in the link to

Fed's rate decision will reveal latest thinking on economy

But here's another

Fed pumps $70B into nation's financial system
To help grease the financial plumbing Monday, the Fed pumped a total of $70 billion into the system through open market operations.
335 posted on 09/16/2008 10:08:36 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: expat_panama
Global shares dive further despite huge cash injections
With nervousness gripping exchanges worldwide, the US Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, Bank of England and Bank of Japan together injected 210 billion US dollars into the money markets on Tuesday to boost liquidity.
336 posted on 09/16/2008 10:20:50 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer; expat_panama
Bad for Panama, good for the domestic American economy. Whose side are you on?

Tariffs are not good for the domestic American economy. They're good for companies that have the political muscle to get themselves protected from international competition. But all they really do for the average American is force them to buy goods from less efficient companies at a higher price.

"Protecting" the American economy only leads to complacency and inefficiency on the part of American indudstries. That is not a good thing for our economy.

337 posted on 09/16/2008 10:41:40 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Citizen Blade; expat_panama
They're good for American citizens that have the political muscle to get themselves protected from international slave labor competition.

Tariffs are good for Americans, and our American culture. Americans do not want to be forced to support slave labor just because the internationalists prefer it as a mode of production. Americans abolished slavery in this country and we should not be forced under the mantle of "free trade" to support it globally. Only 'global citizens' want Americans to support slave labor, because 'global citizens' profit from it. Just ask expat_panama. He's an expatriot for a reason.
338 posted on 09/16/2008 11:02:05 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
the US Federal Reserve, European Central Bank, Bank of England and Bank of Japan together injected 210 billion US dollars into the money markets

Thanks, sounds like the FDIC insuring commercial banks, but they don't say.  Do you have anything on the US government pumping 70 billion into the Dow?

339 posted on 09/16/2008 11:02:12 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Citizen Blade
"Protecting" the American economy only leads to complacency and inefficiency on the part of American indudstries

You're mocking Americans, especially those that created the high tech industries that are now being farmed out under "free trade" agreements so the third world economies, along with the globalists, can profit from it.

You're making an emphatically anti-American claim right now. Why would American industry become inefficient when Americans don't have to compete with slaves? Or are you claiming slavery is the only efficient type of labor?
340 posted on 09/16/2008 11:07:09 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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