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Russian jet crash kills all 88 on board (former Russian commander in Chechnya killed)
AFP ^ | 09/14/08

Posted on 09/14/2008 2:30:01 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: ought-six

Another attempt by you to apply puddle-depth knowledge and generalizations rather than discuss the facts of the incident. Do you deny that the vertical stabilizer, in it’s entirety, broke from the aircraft? If so, did the conspirators somehow plant an identical one in Jamaica Bay and rush to the crash site to remove evidence of the one on the plane? You know the stabilizer I’m talking about, the one filmed and photographed being lifted from Jamaica Bay after the crash?


41 posted on 09/14/2008 7:22:19 AM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: Rome2000
Here's the NTSB report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20011130X02321&key=1

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The in-flight separation of the vertical stabilizer as a result of the loads beyond ultimate design that were created by the first officer's unnecessary and excessive rudder pedal inputs. Contributing to these rudder pedal inputs were characteristics of the Airbus A300-600 rudder system design and elements of the American Airlines Advanced Aircraft Maneuvering Program.

42 posted on 09/14/2008 7:24:38 AM PDT by Textide
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To: ought-six

Seems to me that losing a rudder would affect yaw stability, and too much yaw can induce roll. Then there’s the issue of what else was affected by the rudder being ripped from the aircraft. Fly by wire, sensors and software could have all dealt with the sudden loss in unexpected ways which would have given the guy on the other end of the wire (pilot) a hell of a hard time, and not a lot of time (and sky) to deal with it.


43 posted on 09/14/2008 7:43:19 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: ought-six

Sorry, you’re correct. When I first posted I was picturing the entire vertical stabilizer missing, and not just the rudder.


44 posted on 09/14/2008 9:15:31 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: nw_arizona_granny

ping


45 posted on 09/14/2008 9:21:13 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT
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To: TigerLikesRooster

bfl


46 posted on 09/14/2008 9:36:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ought-six

Well actually I was.

My use of the word “rudder” was not precise. I do think of the vertical tail fin as the “rudder” which is not technically correct. I knew the entire vertical tail fin snapped off and thought you did too as that was a well known detail of flight 587 which is what we were discussing.


47 posted on 09/14/2008 8:59:11 PM PDT by DB
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” By falsely attributing this incident to terrorism in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you actually reinforce the outrageous claims of others.”

Show me where in any of my posts that I attributed this crash to terrorism! Show me and the rest of FR! You are so full of yourself that you jump to conclusions at the drop of a hat. SHOW ME!

Your original posts siad nothing about the vertical stabilizer: You only mentioned the rudder. You never mentioned the vertical stabilizer until others did. I was merely responding to your comment about the rudder, and nothing more. You say you’re an electrical engineer. Perhaps you should stick with that and stay away from aerodynamics.


48 posted on 09/15/2008 3:47:30 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: usafsk

I thought you were the poster DB. Thus, forget my comment about being an electrical engineer and your previous post being only about the rudder. Other than that, I stand by the rest of my post. Again, I insist you show me where I said that crash was the result of terrorism.


49 posted on 09/15/2008 3:50:24 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: usafsk

What is your f***ing problem?


50 posted on 09/15/2008 3:51:18 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Bump.


51 posted on 09/16/2008 8:40:55 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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