[joanie-f]

There are many posts here that I intend to respond to, but I am on my way out the door for the day, so will do so tonight or tomorrow. But before leaving I need to pose one seemingly simplistic (considering the depth of insight exhibited on this thread, on several sides of several issues) question:

Would those of you whom I would describe as ‘purists’ prefer to elect (in this election cycle, in which there are now only two viable candidates):

(1) A President who will not necessarily seek to appoint judges who will outlaw abortion, and who wants judges who will allow the voters of each state to set their own abortion policy.

- or -

(2) A President who will appoint judges who will not allow the voters to decide to ban any type of abortion, including partial birth abortion – who voted NO on prohibiting minors to cross state lines for abortions, who voted NO on notifying parents of such abortions, and who voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.

To my mind, (2) represents a wickedness that is not definable or comprehensible.

The bottom line is that this election may prove to be the most watershed election in our history – stacking the Court with life-term judges who will determine the nature of the abortion issue for decades to come.

In spite of your fervent desire to support the innocent unborn, and your crusade to see to it that we have leadership that shares your passion in that regard, YOU ARE GOING TO GET ONE OR THE OTHER – (1) or (2). By refusing to support (1) your are ensuring (2), and by doing so you are most certainly not doing any favors for millions of future innocent murder victims. In fact, you are ensuring a dramatic increase in their numbers.

~ joanie

[narses]

“To my mind, (2) represents a wickedness that is not definable or comprehensible.”

I can define it. It is Satanic. Aulinsky dedicated his tome to Lucifer. The Luciferian elements in our society want to put each of us outside the pale of God’s love. They believe killing babies does that.

[EternalVigilance]

and by doing so you are most certainly not doing any favors for millions of future innocent murder victims. In fact, you are ensuring a dramatic increase in their numbers.

So, in other words, you've joined the camp of those who blame those who won't compromise foundational principle for the inevitable outcome of their own compromises.

Joanie, you don't get representatives who will represent your principles by supporting those who despise your principles. This is so basic that I'm frankly shocked that you've allowed yourself to go down this illogical path.

The only reason that the pro-life movement can't stop abortion is because self-proclaimed pro-lifers continue to fall for this scam which, in the final and most important pass, finds them exerting their electoral energy and franchise on behalf of the other side.

We don't even need a moral majority to turn this around. All we need is a moral plurality that won't compromise.

If all pro-lifers would unequivocally take this stand, the politicians would turn around so quickly it would make your head spin.

[EternalVigilance]

In fact, you are ensuring a dramatic increase in their numbers.

Even if this were a numbers game, and it's not (the devil would be just as happy with one murdered child a year if the whole country is willing to serve evil to get the numbers that low) the fact is that the numbers of abortions in this country under Obama and McCain will be pretty much exactly the same. Neither one of them has any commitment to ending abortion in this country.

[EternalVigilance]

A President who will appoint judges who will not allow the voters to decide to ban any type of abortion, including partial birth abortion – who voted NO on prohibiting minors to cross state lines for abortions, who voted NO on notifying parents of such abortions, and who voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.

And McCain voted hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for Planned Parenthood. Arguments over degrees of evil just don't cut it. Evil is evil and Christians have a scriptural duty not to promote or support evil in any degree.

[Guenevere]

joanie, until 2 weeks ago, I vehemently told anyone who would listen I would not vote for John McCain...and I would not bow to the pressure (here at FR) to vote 'lesser of two evils'.....

Governor Palin changed all that.

I was cautious at first....then cautiously optimistic...

...I can vote for this ticket now because, with all my heart, I believe it will save babies.

He went against his own grain to select her...

..the response of his 'friends' in the media and Senate surely prove this!!..they're furious.

I personally hope this is an eye opener, an epiphany for John S. McCain....

...that his intelligence...yea his very heart, soul and mind will recognize WHERE this anger (from his peers/friends) comes from ---the very pit of Hell!...

..and that he will separate himself from their ridiculous grasp.

That is my hope.

Why McCain & wife appeared on the View, I don't know...

..unless he truly thought they were still his friends...

..I only caught exerpts from his appearance but it was what I expected...

..they were like vicious hyenas tearing him apart...not letting him finish his sentence...to the point his own wife had to come out and defend him.

Believe me, from even the little I saw of Michelle Obama on the View...(& trust me, I don't watch this insipid trash)...she was 'untouchable'....she was their friend, their hero...

..they were practically licking her!

There are reasons & levels of reasons why I'm energized for this duo....McCain/Palin.

Yes, I'm a purist, yes I'm an idealist...

..but I WANT TO BELIEVE!...and I want this ticket to be from God.

But I don't/can't/won't make an idol of Sarah Palin!....However, I will PRAY PRAY PRAY for her!