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To: metmom; tpanther
The minority may have the right to have their viewpoint represented as well, but that does not mean that they have the right to suppress all other viewpoints.

I see what the problem is: you think this is just about competing opinions. It's not. Creation is pretty clearly not just a viewpoint, it's a religious belief. Religious beliefs have certain protections, but they also have certain restrictions when they intersect with governmental activities (like schools). Your beef isn't with "evos," it's with all the courts that have decided that using class time to promote a religion in public schools violates the Constitution. Your argument boils down to the idea that some people who are offended by violations of the Constitution should just shut up and go away if they're in the minority. It doesn't work that way.

Also, unfortunately for you, the courts have seen through the attempt to disguise creationism as "intelligent design." (Frankly, it wasn't a very good disguise.)

Evolution, on the other hand, is not just an opinion. It's a scientific theory. It might be wrong, but it's still a scientific theory. Now, there is a way to get intelligent design into science class: do the work necessary to make it a theory. Come up with hypotheses about what exactly the designer did, and how, and when, and conduct experiments to confirm the hypotheses. Amass evidence that points to a designer--positive evidence that shows the designer's actions, not just holes in competing theories. Then we'll talk. I won't hold my breath.

In the meantime, sure, file counter lawsuits to have creation taught in public schools. Should be fun.

493 posted on 09/15/2008 6:55:00 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

I see what the problem is: you think this is just about competing opinions. It’s not. Creation is pretty clearly not just a viewpoint, it’s a religious belief. Religious beliefs have certain protections, but they also have certain restrictions when they intersect with governmental activities (like schools). Your beef isn’t with “evos,” it’s with all the courts that have decided that using class time to promote a religion in public schools violates the Constitution. Your argument boils down to the idea that some people who are offended by violations of the Constitution should just shut up and go away if they’re in the minority. It doesn’t work that way.

Also, unfortunately for you, the courts have seen through the attempt to disguise creationism as “intelligent design.” (Frankly, it wasn’t a very good disguise.)

Evolution, on the other hand, is not just an opinion. It’s a scientific theory. It might be wrong, but it’s still a scientific theory. Now, there is a way to get intelligent design into science class: do the work necessary to make it a theory. Come up with hypotheses about what exactly the designer did, and how, and when, and conduct experiments to confirm the hypotheses. Amass evidence that points to a designer—positive evidence that shows the designer’s actions, not just holes in competing theories. Then we’ll talk. I won’t hold my breath.

In the meantime, sure, file counter lawsuits to have creation taught in public schools. Should be fun.


WOW, talk about intellectually inconsistent!

It’s been demonstrated time and again, and proably on this thread too, that the rejection of God is also based entirely on faith. Since you can’t DISprove God, be it via science or anything else, this belief is also based entirely on faith and is hardly scientific!

And again, HIJACKING the Constitution is the question here, HARDLY violating it...moreover interpreting it in an atheistic way will eventually be addressed IMO.

As fully demonstrated, it’s not about the science...some if not many of the very same people stomping creation out of science classes are the very same godless liberals hijacking the Constitution to disallow Christmas on school calendars, crosses in town logos, 10 Commandments out of courtrooms, etc. etc. etc.

Ignoring that and putting your hands over your ears and humming really loud won’t make any of these realities go away either!

And I know it’s a difficult concept to grasp but Christians have access to lawyers and courtrooms also. If believers were capable of organizing religion, rest assured we’re more than capable of organizing a defense!

Indeed some of us weren’t so hopelessly brainwashed by public schools as to believe that Christians weren’t the ones responsible for virtually all the freedoms ALL citizens enjoy in the first place! History books may have been re-written but enough people are still around to recognize it!

I suspect that because enough aren’t willing to just set sail on boats to get away from tyranny this time, you’ll indeed get your “entertainment”!

From science class, to history books to law...as I said, enough is enough!


499 posted on 09/15/2008 7:17:49 PM PDT by tpanther
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; tpanther
Evolution, on the other hand, is not just an opinion. It's a scientific theory. It might be wrong, but it's still a scientific theory.

If it might be wrong, then believing that it's right and teaching it that way puts it in the *faith* category itself.

And if it's not right, and not truth (as science is not about truth anyway), it might as well be in the *opinion* category cause that's about how reliable it is.

At that point, there's no more basis for teaching evolution in schools than creation.

Just because something is passed off as *scientific* doesn't mean that it is inherently more reliable or more worthy or deserves to be taken more seriously than any other reason. Evos just think that it does because they think that they're right.

500 posted on 09/15/2008 7:20:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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