You have nothing but baseless accusations of me “backing out” of something that you never put forward.
Allmendream: You have nothing but baseless accusations of me “backing out” of something that you never put forward.
ME: Wrong. First, as demonstrated above, I had two scientists who were ready to officially debate you. Then you backed out and I lost them to other commitments.
Fri, 4 Jan 2008 5:48 pm
OK, thanks - I have already contacted Dr Carter, who has already indicated his willingness to participate. I have copied him on this email, so you can communicate with him directly, though I would be pleased to be kept in the loop.
Kind regards, Carl
Dr Carl Wieland
Managing Director
Creation Ministries International Ltd (Australia)
www.CreationOnTheWeb.com
Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:26 pm
Yes, I got your call for action and I still stand by our young principles, not to avoid a war if ever possible!
So what is FR? How does it work? Who debates? Do you have an example?
Best,
Peter
—
Peter Duesberg
Dept. Mol. & Cell Biol.
Donner Lab
UC Berkeley
BERKELEY CA 94720
Now, who do you suppose I had Dr. Carter and Dr. Duesberg lined up for, Allmendream? I went to a lot of trouble to get the debate set up, and YOU BACKED OUT:
Allmendream: I believe it was js### who agreed to debates with conditions that could not be met (closed thread or some such).
ME: Actually, you agreed to a debate, and then backed out
Allmendream: I think any “Scientist” on your side (who you haven’t frog marched off to prison) would be far too busy debating the ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY including the vast majority of those who study retrovirus, to have the time to debate us.
Me: I found one that isn’t tied up. Are you game?
Allmendream: Sure, why not? I am not an expert on virus’s or HIV, nor would I represent myself as such (although no doubt you will), but I know enough to read the literature on the subject of a virus that reproduces within helper T cells in immune compromised patients with low helper T counts and high viral counts.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1945222/posts?q=1&;page=151#167
Me: Let’s work out this debate thing first, and then we can return to codes upon codes.
Me: What happened to the debate re: AIDS? Creation vs. Evolution? Etc? You have suddenly gone silent. What gives?
Allmendream (who resorts to insults when cornered): Really not that interested in the granola eating anti corporate fringe that believe the FDA and Biologists are in cahoots to kill people. I know it agrees with your conspiracy fantasies of cabals of Scientists up to no good, but it doesn’t comport to any reality I know so I have limited interest.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941583/posts?q=1&;page=151#155
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Me: Which means you are not at all confident in your point of view and depend on force to uphold the same. So much for being willing to let the evidence lead where it may.
Allmendream: It is not my point of view, it is the point of view of the vast majority of virologists. It is not your view that they are incorrectly interpreting their results, but that they are engaged in fraud and conspiracy. As such you will not be convinced by their data, so what would be the point in me presenting it to you?
Me: You are very mistaken. I do think the HIV-AIDS hypothesis is based on fraud, but the vast majority of scientists have no clue and just accept the fraud on authority without asking questions. You fall in that category IMHO...PS First you agree to debate, then you back out. Hmmmmm.....
Allmendream: I am not interested in debating a conspiracy theorist.
Me: I offered a debate between you and one of the thousands of scientists who officially question the HIV-AIDS hypothesis. The debate was going to be focused on the science of AIDS alone. You accepted the debate and then backed out. Furthermore, I cited paper after paper, written by your fellow evos, every one of which stated that there are indeed codes upon codes. Your issue is with them, not me. And in this connection, I also floated a debate between you and a creation scientist. As per usual, you failed to rise to the challenge. Thus, it is you who are running away, not me...In short, put up or shut up...
Allmendream: NO RESPONSE