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To: kabar
It has nothing to do with color.

Really, you are the one who brought up the racial component instead of the fact that this is a criminal intrusion on our borders. You seemed more concerned that the demographics will make whites a minority than you did the millions of identities that are stolen and crimes committed. But heck, I'm a nice guy, so I'll give you a chance to dig your way out.
IF you completely remove the illegal immigration factor out of that demographic shift, and it was still happening (and it is w/ out illegals based on the numbers), so the demographic shift is simply birth and death rates- would you still care?

I think the rest of your statement proves my point, it isn't about race, correlation does not equal coordination, first rule of statistics, it is about attitude. Culture (and I will say this is the culture of liberalism, not a racially based culture) is a mantle that an individual chooses to live under- it isn't defined by what race you are.

It is up to us to preach Conservatism - the power of the individual, not to whine to the government about demographic shifts. They blew it taking care of illegals, but that is only a symptom of the culture of liberalism, that isn't the cause of the culture of liberalism.

2,609 posted on 09/05/2008 6:24:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Really, you are the one who brought up the racial component instead of the fact that this is a criminal intrusion on our borders. You seemed more concerned that the demographics will make whites a minority than you did the millions of identities that are stolen and crimes committed. But heck, I'm a nice guy, so I'll give you a chance to dig your way out.

My concern is that we cannot absorb these kinds of numbers without Balkanizing this country along linguistic and cultural lines. In 1965 the Hispanic population of this country was aboiut 1%. It is now around 16% and will be 30% by 2050, according to recently released Bureau of the Census figures. This is a huge demographic change, which is being fueled by high Hispanic birthrates, triple the general increase, and by immigration with about two thirds of the 1.2 million Legal Immigrants entering the US annually coming from Latin America, and the vast majority of illegals--500,000 to 1 million annually coming from Latin America. I am citing facts and trends and am not alone. In 2004 Harvard Professor Samuel Huntington wrote an excellent article [see link below] about the issue in Foreign Affairs and his book, Who are we? The Challenges to America's National Identity expounds further on the subject. What is happening now is unprecedented in our history.

The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington

IF you completely remove the illegal immigration factor out of that demographic shift, and it was still happening (and it is w/ out illegals based on the numbers), so the demographic shift is simply birth and death rates- would you still care?

That would be a good start. Yes, I would still care. We don't need 1.2 million legal immigrants a year. I would recommend a merit based system [as distinct from the current kinship system.} I would reduce the number of legal immigrants to about 300,000 a year, which was recommended by the Jordan Commission in the 90s. I would eliminate birthright citizenship, which sees about 400,000 to 500,000 persons a year becoming US citizens to non-US citizens purely on where they are born.

Here is a good summary on the demographic impact of immigration, legal and illegal, including different scenarios. It includes such things as assuming illegal immigration could be stopped completely. And there is one scenario showing the impact of allowing just 300,000 legal immigrants a year in.

Here is an excellent profile of today's immigrant population in the US in 2007.

Robert Rector, Heritage Foundation, wrote this seminal work on immigration: Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts. It shows the impact immigration is having on the US.

It is up to us to preach Conservatism - the power of the individual, not to whine to the government about demographic shifts. They blew it taking care of illegals, but that is only a symptom of the culture of liberalism, that isn't the cause of the culture of liberalism.

It is up to us conservatives to defend the rule of law and preserve this nation's patrimony, which has provided the foundation of the greatest nation the earth has ever seen. Government immigration policies are changing this nation dramatically and the people have not had a say in the results. Unless the people become educated about this issue, the country will be destroyed as we know it. We are like the proverbial frog being slowly boiled alive and not realizing it until it is too late.

I am tired of people calling us racists, nativists, and bigots because we want this issue addressed. I am married to an immigrant. My grandmother was an immigrant. I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood and spent 25 years of my adult life in nine different countries. I have no problem with other cultures, races, ethnic groups, etc. But if we don't address this problem in a sane way and continue to demigog it, this country will be destroyed. It is already happening.

2,616 posted on 09/05/2008 6:57:56 AM PDT by kabar (.)
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