Georgians Eager to Rebuild Army

New York Times ^ | September 2, 2008 | C. J. Chivers and Thom Shanker

[austrian]

We shall see.....I will get back to you in December. The facts are that NATO has a step by step process for admission and Georgia has been on track and is moving forward quite well.

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just an example: a view days ago germany has official announced that it was wise to veto georgia in the past and that they WILL veto georgia again. it was shown speach on TV . and not only germany thinks this way. the news have been full of this here. believe me no way to join for georgia.

[MarMema]

How nice. Germany sucks the teats of Russia so her people won’t freeze this winter. Cowards are to be found in every corner.

[MarMema]

Merkel Signals Support for Georgia's NATO Membership Bid

Remember, one politician on Tv does not rule the world.

[MarMema]

Lithuania and Poland Support Georgia and Ukraine for NATO

"Hungarian Defence Minister Imre Szekeres and US Ambassador to Budapest April H Foley said Monday Georgia should be allowed to join the Western alliance after meeting in Szolnok in central Hungary."

"Latvia also urged NATO to admit Georgia."

[austrian]

it´s not only germany. if you are interessted look at this bbc message board to get an impression what the standart european think about georgiga and russia.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=5284&edition=2&ttl=20080903063745

some pro russia comments and some negative. i think you will get a good impression of the people here (and there for how politicians behave to get voted again)

[MarMema]

Let Georgia, Ukraine into NATO now, Estonia says

UK and Bulgaria are also supportive. So I think by 2010 or one year later, Georgia will be in NATO. Hopefully they will be MAP by Christmas.

[MarMema]

But those people don't matter. They won't be making the decision.

I can find any number of you tube russians who hate georgia and so what?

[austrian]

Hungarian Defence Minister Imre Szekeres and US Ambassador to Budapest April H Foley said Monday Georgia should be allowed to join the Western alliance after meeting in Szolnok in central Hungary.”

“Latvia also urged NATO to admit Georgia.”

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forget the ex soviet satellite states(i do not mean that they don´t count i mean we all know what they want). we all know what they think and how they feel.so no suprise. but europe is not only made of this countries. and the western european countries totally differ on this point. (and you should not forget that for example the EU is dominated most by the “western” countries). it was no accident that the EU agreed with one voice not to impose sanctions against russia. some ex sowiet states did want sanctions and they expressed this. but at the end EU said no sanctions and no EU country will impose sanctions only because of this. guess why?

[MarMema]

Entrance into NATO is a process, not an election by posters on a BBC forum. Albania is ahead of Georgia in the process and believe me they are lucky to be there.

[MarMema]

The EU is not the same as NATO. Not even close.

[austrian]

But those people don’t matter. They won’t be making the decision.

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shure they do not make the decision. i only wanted to point out that georgia has not as many supporters in europe as they may think and russia not as many enemys as you think.
that was all.

[austrian]

Entrance into NATO is a process, not an election by posters on a BBC forum. Albania is ahead of Georgia in the process and believe me they are lucky to be there.

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true but one veto and you are out.last time they got 2 vetos from europe if i remember correct. this time it will be even more.

[MarMema]

The EU did, however, freeze all future negotiations with Russia.

The time is early yet. Russia has just begun her move to suicide as a country. She will continue to disgust the world over the next few months with more prelest and suicidal ideations.

God bless the Georgians. They are a wonderful people. I love them dearly.

[MarMema]

Georgia has tremendous support and not just in Europe.

The support Russia has is not support but energy dependence.

[austrian]

don´t get me wrong i´m not here for playing the bad ass and tell every body that i think russia is wonderfull and doing the right thing. it may sound this way sometimes. i just want to bring in some positions that some countries (not all) and some people in europe have. yes the people of georgia do have general support in europe but their president? i don´t think so. yes energy is a problem.
but this is a 2 way street. EU needs russian energy and russia needs the money from the EU. so at the moment we are in bed with each other if we like it or not. this can be said for both sides.

[MarMema]

No one supports a bully but some will kneel before one.

That's why I am proud to be an American. We don't kneel.

[MarMema]

Also we Americans plan our military adventures. We don't rush into them. So don't think the fat lady has sung yet in Georgia. She is still on the sidelines preparing to go on stage.

By the way I am drinking Georgian wine, Kvanchkara, while we chat. It is quite good!!

[neverdem]

thanks, bfl

[austrian]

No one supports a bully but some will kneel before one.
That’s why I am proud to be an American. We don’t kneel.

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you think the EU does kneel? this is about geo politics and a fact is that russia is way more important for the EU than georgia. this has nothing to do with georgia, it´s all about interests. EU is interested in the flow of gas from russia. EU is interested in export to russia. EU is interested in russian space cooperation..... i could go on and on. there is not much georgia has to offer. so no wonder that the EU is not willing to really harm the relations with russia over georgia. nor do the russians. it was not an accident why the russian praised the EU peace plan and want EU monitors send to georgia. it´s all about money and power on both sides.

[MarMema]

EU is interested in the flow of gas from russia. EU is interested in export to russia. EU is interested in russian space cooperation..... i could go on and on.

Yes, that is called kneeling.